Help with 7-1-1

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Not to hijack my own post, but aren't you referring to 7-1-2(a)1 that states a ball is out of bounds when it touches or is touched by a player who is out of bounds?

Snaqs answered my original question and I'm still trying to chew on that one (not that the technical rule interpt is wrong, but rather how I'd explain it to a coach during a game).

Not exactly; 7-1-2 refers to the ball, while 7-1-1 refers to the player.

If B1 is standing OOB, or even just has 1 foot OOB, they are considered OOB per 4-35-2. Now, if A1, who is holding the ball, happens to touch B1, (or B1 reaches out and touches A1), and the "player/person" exception wasn't in 7-1-1, A1 would be now have caused the ball to go OOB, and would have committed a violation. I believe the exception also prevents a player who may be standing fully inbounds, and accidentally touching a player or coach who is fully OOB, from also committing a violation.

If B1, with one foot OOB, touched the ball while A1 is holding it, B1 would have caused the ball to go OOB, and would be the one to have committed a violation, as per 7-1-2.

[Rufus]

Thanks M&M, that cleared it up.

[Judtech]

Oh I thought this was a thread about what is the best thing to order at 7/11, my bad

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Oh I thought this was a thread about what is the best thing to order at 7/11, my bad

The Slurpee - duh.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I believe the exception also prevents a player who may be standing fully inbounds, and accidentally touching a player or coach who is fully OOB, from also committing a violation.

Corrected the above statement.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Corrected the above statement.

While I know that's not the wording in the rule, I simply put that in for information. Can you think of any reason A1 would purposely touch a player or coach who's standing OOB?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

While I know that's not the wording in the rule, I simply put that in for information. Can you think of any reason A1 would purposely touch a player or coach who's standing OOB?

Sure: a high five.
Also, situations could arise where a coach would touch his player (loud gym).

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure: a high five.
Also, situations could arise where a coach would touch his player (loud gym).

Well, I suppose you could also see a coach slap a player 'up side the head for not running the play correctly, too...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Well, I suppose you could also see a coach slap a player 'up side the head for not running the play correctly, too...

Now was that so hard?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

While I know that's not the wording in the rule, I simply put that in for information. Can you think of any reason A1 would purposely touch a player or coach who's standing OOB?

Yes, if a player were losing his balance and someone to keep him from falling.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes, if a player were losing his balance and someone to keep him from falling.

What if the player is holding the ball, but losing his balance so he reaches over and puts his hand on a photographer who kneeling in the OOB area near the court? This action allows the player to regain his balance and not contact the OOB area.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What if the player is holding the ball, but losing his balance so he reaches over and puts his hand on a photographer who kneeling in the OOB area near the court? This action allows the player to regain his balance and not contact the OOB area.

By my interpretation of 7-1-1, this would be a legal play. Upon further review, 7.1.1 Sit A (b) is this play. However, the rule, also, requires a judgement as to whether or not the touch is inadvertent and/or A1 did it without gaining an advantage.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

By my interpretation of 7-1-1, this would be a legal play. Upon further review, 7.1.1 Sit A (b) is this play. However, the rule, also, requires a judgement as to whether or not the touch is inadvertent and/or A1 did it without gaining an advantage.

Where is advantage mentioned in the rule?

[River Ref]

"May not touch an object or person oob to gain an advantage." Should be added I think.