Shelding an opponet

[hoopsaddict]

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[just another ref]

What one player was attempting to prevent the other from doing is not the important part. Where was the contact and what were the positions of the players involved in relation to each other?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

..... saving the ball from going out of bounce.

One guy stopped the other from letting the air out of the ball?

[just another ref]

Both players moving, one player steps in front of the other and shoulders him out of his path? Sounds like a blocking foul to me. The fact that the one player is not attempting to play the ball is not relevant.

[JRutledge]

There is nothing illegal inherently to get in someone's way. The only thing you could say is if he caused illegal contact to prevent movement. In other words the screen rules apply, but when there is a loose ball I would not start nitpicking what guys to going for the ball on that level. Now if he knocked him out of the way that is different but simply getting in the way of someone is not illegal at all.

Peace

[GoodwillRef]

We see this all of the time...basically the one player is "boxing out" the other so they can't get to a ball going out of bounds. This is a foul if there is enough contact and displacement takes place. IMO we don't call this foul enough and at times this play get really rough.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In other words the screen rules apply, but when there is a loose ball I would not start nitpicking what guys to going for the ball on that level.

Bingo!

Apply NFHS rules 4-40-5,6&7.

[GoodwillRef]

We just have to have the guts to call it, because it will not be a popular call at all. It will be the right call though.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

We just have to have the guts to call it, because it will not be a popular call at all. It will be the right call though.

But, "stepping in front" of or "impeding" as described in the initial OP or incidental contact is also nothing - and may also not be a popular call......unless this is soccer, then it happens all the time.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by grunewar

But, "stepping in front" of or "impeding" as described in the initial OP or incidental contact is also nothing - and may also not be a popular call......unless this is soccer, then it happens all the time.

Stepping in front of someone who is already moving is either a block or an illegal screen. Stepping in front and not drawing contact (which is what really happens most of the time) is nothing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Stepping in front of someone who is already moving is either a block or an illegal screen. .

Wrong. If time and distance are given( one to two normal steps or strides), the onus for contact then is on the player being screened. NFHS rule 4-40-5.

Each separate play has to be adjudicated by applying the screening principles laid out in NFHS rule 4-40.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

One normal step was about all the time the player running for the ball had to react and he coudln't get around the player screening. The players doing the actuallly screening was using his back.

Again, I am envisioning the OPS scenario like a soccer player (Team A) shielding an opponent (Team B) from the opportunity to play the ball so it rolls out of bounds and Team A gets it. In this scenario, Player A having his back to Player B or not, unless B gets bludgeoned (sp) in some way, blocking a players way, with minor/possible incidental contact = no foul.

My understanding of the situation anyhow.

[APG]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

One normal step was about all the time the player running for the ball had to react and he coudln't get around the player screening. The players doing the actuallly screening was using his back.

A player setting a screen does not have to be facing the opponent. As JR pointed out, all that is relevant is that the screening player give the required time and distance (which by your account you said one normal step was given).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

One normal step was about all the time the player running for the ball had to react and he coudln't get around the player screening.

Judgment call on one normal step- depending on the speed of the player being screened. If you felt that the person being screened was able to stop, change directions or cause incidental contact only after the one normal stride, then no foul. Conversely, if you felt that the player being screened wasn't able to stop, change direction and lost a chance to get to the ball by running into the screener after the one normal stride, then a foul call is warranted.

[constable]

anyone else wondering what "shelding" is?