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bas2456 Thu Aug 12, 2010 08:15pm

Am I correct?
 
Was at the gym yesterday and I saw this girl practicing on the basketball court. She was practicing a pump fake and drive move.

She had the ball on the right wing. She pump faked and drove toward the lane, near the elbow. She came down on her right foot, and picked up her dribble. She then hopped backwards off of her right foot, and landing on the right foot. The left foot didn't touch the ground until the right foot landed.

After watching it a few times, I'm pretty sure she was travelling every time. Yes or no?

Judtech Thu Aug 12, 2010 08:30pm

It sounds like you have a travel, but I am having a difficult time understanding how that move is even possible. Does her left foot ever touch the floor? It is difficult to imagine a player stopping on one foot and hopping backwards on the same foot. I have seen player shoot the fade off the other foot, but it doesn't seem to be what you are describing.

Mark Padgett Thu Aug 12, 2010 08:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 688574)
After watching it a few times, I'm pretty sure she was travelling every time. Yes or no?

Was she travelling? No. Was she traveling? Yes. ;)

bas2456 Thu Aug 12, 2010 08:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688575)
It sounds like you have a travel, but I am having a difficult time understanding how that move is even possible. Does her left foot ever touch the floor? It is difficult to imagine a player stopping on one foot and hopping backwards on the same foot. I have seen player shoot the fade off the other foot, but it doesn't seem to be what you are describing.

As impossible as it sounds, she did it. Her left foot only touches the floor after the right foot lands after the hop, and before the shot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688576)
Was she travelling? No. Was she traveling? Yes. ;)

Touche sir.

BillyMac Thu Aug 12, 2010 08:56pm

What's Your Favourite Pyjamas Colour In The Catalogue ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688576)
Was she travelling? No. Was she traveling? Yes.

Base Word
travel

American
traveling

British
travelling

Welpe Thu Aug 12, 2010 09:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688575)
It sounds like you have a travel, but I am having a difficult time understanding how that move is even possible. Does her left foot ever touch the floor? It is difficult to imagine a player stopping on one foot and hopping backwards on the same foot. I have seen player shoot the fade off the other foot, but it doesn't seem to be what you are describing.

Sounds like a basic plyometric drill to me. I don't see that being difficult for an athlete.

Judtech Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:14pm

But we are talking a basketball move not a plymetric drill. Not saying it is impossible just not sure of the practicality

just another ref Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 688580)
Base Word
travel

American
traveling

British
travelling

Does Padgett sound British to you?

just another ref Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688588)
But we are talking a basketball move not a plymetric drill. Not saying it is impossible just not sure of the practicality

Impossible to do it legally.

So that means it is also impractical.

justacoach Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688588)
plymetric drill

plyOmetric:D:D

Jes' being pi$$y:eek:

Jay R Fri Aug 13, 2010 05:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 688590)
Does Padgett sound British to you?

Sounds British with a French twist as well.

Last name: Padgett
This interesting surname is a diminutive form of Page, which is of Old French origin, and an occupational name for a young servant, a personal attendant in a noble's house, from the Old French, Middle English "page", ultimately deriving from the Greek "paidion", a boy, child. Padgett itself contains the intrusive "-d-", due to dialectal influences, and the diminutive suffix "-ett"; hence, "little page". Variants of the surname in the modern idiom include Paget, Pag(g)itt and Pagett. A family called Paget, of humble origins, first became prominent when William Paget (1506 - 1563) acquired large estates from Henry V111 on the dissolution of the monasteries, and also held the title Earl of Uxbridge, from 1714. The surname Page is first recorded in 1230, when Ralph Page is mentioned in the Pipe Rolls of Devonshire, while the variant form Padgett first appears in the early 14th Century (see below). John Paget is recorded in 1359 in the Court Rolls of the Borough of Colchester. Jone Padgett was christened at St. Botolph's, Bishopsgate, London, on December 10th 1569, while Margaret Padgett married Robert Ellis in London, on September 28th 1597. The Coat of Arms most associated with the family depicts on a black shield, a silver cross engrailed, in the dexter quarter a silver escallop. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of William Paget, which was dated 1327, in the "Subsidy Rolls of Sussex", during the reign of King Edward 111, known as "The Father of the Navy", 1327 - 1377. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Welpe Fri Aug 13, 2010 08:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688588)
Not saying it is impossible just not sure of the practicality

I never said it was practical on a basketball court. :)

Adam Fri Aug 13, 2010 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 688574)
Was at the gym yesterday and I saw this girl practicing on the basketball court. She was practicing a pump fake and drive move.

She had the ball on the right wing. She pump faked and drove toward the lane, near the elbow. She came down on her right foot, and picked up her dribble. She then hopped backwards off of her right foot, and landing on the right foot. The left foot didn't touch the ground until the right foot landed.

After watching it a few times, I'm pretty sure she was travelling every time. Yes or no?

Just for the viewers playing at home, what rule is she breaking?

Scrapper1 Fri Aug 13, 2010 09:52am

It's never legal to jump from one foot to the same foot while holding the ball.

Mark Padgett Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 688598)
Sounds British with a French twist as well.

Actually, Padgett isn't my birth name. When I was a teenager, my parents divorced and my mom eventually remarried a guy named Padgett. He legally adopted me and my sister and that's how I got that name.

My "real" family heritage is Russian on both sides. Please don't insinuate I'm even partly French. ;)

BTW - one of my "real" grandfathers and my great-grandmother at one time both worked for Al Capone. Not kidding. I have an "Al Capone" t-shirt that my son bought for me to commemorate this. And - I'm distantly related to Monica Lewinsky.

OK - that's enough personal crap.

SamIAm Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 688614)
It's never legal to jump from one foot to the same foot while holding the ball.

Never? While inbounding the ball? Perhaps while holding the ball before a free throw attempt? Sorry Scrapper1, that is my smart-aleck side coming out.

I know what you meant Scrapper1, but there is a certain pleasure in nit-picking.:D

Adam Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 688623)
Never? While inbounding the ball? Perhaps while holding the ball before a free throw attempt? Sorry Scrapper1, that is my smart-aleck side coming out.

I know what you meant Scrapper1, but there is a certain pleasure in nit-picking.:D

You misspelled perverse.

:D

Jurassic Referee Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 688614)
It's never legal to jump from one foot to the same foot while holding the ball.

Even if you catch the ball in the air, land on one foot and then jump and simultaneously land with both feet after the jump?

mbyron Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688621)
My "real" family heritage is Russian on both sides. Please don't insinuate I'm even partly French. ;)

Your resistance is surprising. Russians have for centuries been francophiles.

Mark Padgett Fri Aug 13, 2010 01:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 688626)
Your resistance is surprising. Russians have for centuries been francophiles.

Hey - I like Franco-American spaghetti as much as the next guy. :D

OK you guys, here's ten more things about me and my family. Only one is false. See if you can guess which one.

1. I was on the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite
2. I was questioned by the FBI
3. I was a contestant on a television quiz show
4. My cousin was Jimmy Carter's commanding officer in the Navy
5. I had lunch with Bobby Hull
6. I had dinner with Adlai Stevenson
7. My wife was in the Miss Oregon pageant
8. My four year old grandson plays chess
9. I entered high school at age 12
10. I own a pair of brown shoes

Scrapper1 Fri Aug 13, 2010 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 688623)
Never? While inbounding the ball? Perhaps while holding the ball before a free throw attempt? Sorry Scrapper1, that is my smart-aleck side coming out.

I know what you meant Scrapper1, but there is a certain pleasure in nit-picking.:D

I know you're nit-picking, Sam, but you're actually making a terrific point. How about this version:

It's never legal to jump from one foot onto the same foot while holding a live ball inbounds; except when attempting a free throw.

Does that seem right?

Scrapper1 Fri Aug 13, 2010 01:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 688625)
Even if you catch the ball in the air, land on one foot and then jump and simultaneously land with both feet after the jump?

Um, if do that, then you're not jumping from one foot onto the same foot, are you? You're landing on two feet, not one.

Judtech Fri Aug 13, 2010 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688632)
Hey - I like Franco-American spaghetti as much as the next guy. :D

OK you guys, here's ten more things about me and my family. Only one is false. See if you can guess which one.

1. I was on the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite
2. I was questioned by the FBI
3. I was a contestant on a television quiz show
4. My cousin was Jimmy Carter's commanding officer in the Navy
5. I had lunch with Bobby Hull
6. I had dinner with Adlai Stevenson
7. My wife was in the Miss Oregon pageant
8. My four year old grandson plays chess
9. I entered high school at age 12
10. I own a pair of brown shoes
11. I am an outstanding official

I'll take #11

Jurassic Referee Fri Aug 13, 2010 02:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 688634)
Um, if do that, then you're not jumping from one foot onto the same foot, are you? You're landing on two feet, not one.

Yup but you're also still jumping from one foot onto the same foot as part of that 2-foot landing, aren't you?

Semantics only...I'm sureasheck aware that you know the correct rules.

Mark Padgett Fri Aug 13, 2010 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688635)
I'll take #11

I hope for your sake you just forgot the winky face.

Judtech Fri Aug 13, 2010 03:38pm

What are you gonna do if I didn't forget it? Huh tough guy!!! Don't you MAKE me switch to blue font or it will be ON!!!!!:D

Mark Padgett Fri Aug 13, 2010 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 688642)
What are you gonna do if I didn't forget it? Huh tough guy!!! Don't you MAKE me switch to blue font or it will be ON!!!!!:D


"Location: Not where I used too!"


Not only are you using the wrong form of the word "to", but if you used the correct form, you'd still be ending your sentence with a proposition. :cool:

OOPS! Forgot the blue font. Sorry.

Judtech Fri Aug 13, 2010 04:18pm

Proposition? I think I was able to plead down to loitering!:D

Welpe Fri Aug 13, 2010 04:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688645)

OOPS! Forgot the blue font. Sorry.

Very well played, tovarisch.

Rooster Fri Aug 13, 2010 04:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688632)
Hey - I like Franco-American spaghetti as much as the next guy. :D


7. I was in the Miss Oregon pageant

Fixed it for ya. :D

I know, I know, rooks should keep their mouth shut but it was too much of a softball. :)

BillyMac Fri Aug 13, 2010 06:21pm

How About Blue Suede Shoes ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688632)
Here's ten more things about me and my family. Only one is false. See if you can guess which one.
1. I was on the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite
2. I was questioned by the FBI
3. I was a contestant on a television quiz show
4. My cousin was Jimmy Carter's commanding officer in the Navy
5. I had lunch with Bobby Hull
6. I had dinner with Adlai Stevenson
7. My wife was in the Miss Oregon pageant
8. My four year old grandson plays chess
9. I entered high school at age 12
10. I own a pair of brown shoes

Well we already know that it's not #6: http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post680262

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/2654bbfe69e56f5a

Jurassic Referee Fri Aug 13, 2010 08:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 688654)
I may be missing the point.

Agree.

Adam Sat Aug 14, 2010 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 688687)
No explanation needed. You posted something stupid. Now, when questioned about it, you try to deflect attention elsewhere.

His original post was no more stupid than the way you questioned him. He's playing semantics, nothing more. no point, nothing.
So to make it more stupid.
He's right, landing on two feet includes landing on the original foot, just like dribbling with two hands includes dribbling with the original hand.
Oddly (or not) the rules are opposite for the two situations, in that landing on the one foot after jumping from it is illegal, while dribbling with two hands following a dribble.

just another ref Sat Aug 14, 2010 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 688709)
His original post was no more stupid than the way you questioned him. He's playing semantics, nothing more. no point, nothing.

You're right. I was out of line. My apologies to everybody.

I really thought he might have been setting up to point out something more subtle about the wording of the rule.

I was just playing along.

sorta

:D

Jurassic Referee Sat Aug 14, 2010 03:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 688709)
He's playing semantics, nothing more. no point, nothing.

Agree. Just wanted readers to be aware of the strict wording of NFHS R4-44-2(a3) and 4-44-2(b2). I know that Scappy is.

And I deleted my response to JAR above.

BillyMac Sat Aug 14, 2010 03:41pm

"Can't We All Just Get Along" (Rodney Glen King)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 688710)
You're right. I was out of line. My apologies to everybody.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 688711)
Agree. And I deleted my response to JAR above.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/98f160a38f31bd92

Adam Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:03pm

Oh my; what have I done?

jritchie Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:03pm

Would she of maybe been trying to pull of something like a jump stop that a lot of players do most of the time though, going forward? Maybe she was trying to do some sort of jump stop, but doing it in an awkward way to get away from a defender to get her shot off! Just thought I would throw that out there.

canuckrefguy Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 688621)
Actually, Padgett isn't my birth name. When I was a teenager, my parents divorced and my mom eventually remarried a guy named Padgett. He legally adopted me and my sister and that's how I got that name.

My "real" family heritage is Russian on both sides. Please don't insinuate I'm even partly French. ;)

BTW - one of my "real" grandfathers and my great-grandmother at one time both worked for Al Capone. Not kidding. I have an "Al Capone" t-shirt that my son bought for me to commemorate this. And - I'm distantly related to Monica Lewinsky.

Okay, so you're not French - you're a Russian mobster who likes cigars. :D

ref3808 Sat Aug 21, 2010 09:09am

Please Lord let the season start soon!
 
If this is what it's come to then I think it's time to work some games.

Judtech Sat Aug 21, 2010 05:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 689390)
Okay, so you're not French - you're a Russian mobster who likes cigars. :D

Or former Spetzna!:eek:

Scrapper1 Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 689403)
If this is what it's come to then I think it's time to work some games.

This is what it comes to every summer. You'll get used to it if you stick around long enough.

But you're right. It's definitely time to start working some games. :)

bob jenkins Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 689666)
This is what it comes to every summer.

Unfortunately, it's always summer in certain poster's minds.

Mark Padgett Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 689390)
Okay, so you're not French - you're a Russian mobster who likes cigars. :D

Boris is on his way over to have a "talk" with you.

BillyMac Mon Aug 23, 2010 05:48pm

Fall Ball ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 689403)
If this is what it's come to then I think it's time to work some games.

Do any states still play girls high school basketball games in the autumn? Or has that gone the way of the telephone with a rotary dial? If not, what was the last state to switch to the winter season?

Judtech Mon Aug 23, 2010 07:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 689683)
Boris is on his way over to have a "talk" with you.

Yeltsin? Didn't his liver give out awhile ago? So long as I don't hear "There is a Mr Putin at the door for you honey" I would be ok!

BillyMac Tue Aug 24, 2010 06:41am

The World's Greatest No-Goodnik ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 689683)
Boris is on his way over to have a "talk" with you.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...2146&index=ch1


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