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[Mark Padgett]

Let me throw this into the mix just to confuse things even more. A1 is dribbling the ball. B1 touches the ball. During the time that B1 is touching the ball, A1 fouls B1. Would you call a player control foul on A1? Remember - player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Let me throw this into the mix just to confuse things even more. A1 is dribbling the ball. B1 touches the ball. During the time that B1 is touching the ball, A1 fouls B1. Would you call a player control foul on A1? Remember - player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

You haven't given us enough information. Did B1's touch cause A1 to lose player control? It's just a technicality, in any case, because even if A1 did lose player control, it's still a team control foul (assuming it's not intentional or flagrant; in which case, again, player control is just a technicality). Same penalty.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You haven't given us enough information. Did B1's touch cause A1 to lose player control?

That was my point. Did it or didn't it? That's kind of the whole issue on this thread.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

That was my point. Did it or didn't it? That's kind of the whole issue on this thread.

In all honestly, I don't think that's the issue at all in this thread. The reason I say that is that bainsey's original question was prompted by the test question in Post #4; and that question tells us that player control was never lost. So the issue in the thread is not whether player control was lost, but whether an opponent's touch of the ball -- without loss of control by the dribbler -- ends the dribble.