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GoodwillRef Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:57pm

Do we shoot FT or is the game over?
 
A34 drives to the basket with :03 left in the game he jumps to shot and while in the air with the ball still in his hands the horn goes off and then after the horn but before he lands on the floor B54 fouls A34…do we have anything or is the game over?

If anyone has a rules reference that would be great.

Adam Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:05pm

What's the score?

GoodwillRef Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:06pm

The score is tied!

Adam Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:10pm

In your scenario, you'd shoot at least one of the free throws. If he makes the first, game over. If he misses the first, he shoots the second. The only time you don't shoot FTs on a shooting foul is if time has expired in the 4th quarter or OT, and there aren't enough FTs to affect the outcome.
In your scenario, the ball is live until the shot is over.
If, however, the team that would shoot is ahead, you would not shoot.
If the team that would shoot is behind by more points than free throws have been awarded, you would not shoot.

GoodwillRef Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 687045)
In your scenario, you'd shoot at least one of the free throws. If he makes the first, game over. If he misses the first, he shoots the second. The only time you don't shoot FTs on a shooting foul is if time has expired in the 4th quarter or OT, and there aren't enough FTs to affect the outcome.
In your scenario, the ball is live until the shot is over.
If, however, the team that would shoot is ahead, you would not shoot.
If the team that would shoot is behind by more points than free throws have been awarded, you would not shoot.

We aren't going to count the basket if the shot is after the horn...or are we?

Adam Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 687046)
We aren't going to count the basket if the shot is after the horn...or are we?

Good point; I missed that the horn went off prior to release. That changes everything, BTW. The ball is dead at the horn since the try hadn't been released yet. No foul (unless it's intentional or flagrant contact), and no free throws.

bainsey Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:52pm

So, it's none of the above. We ain't shootin' free throws, and a tie game certainly can't be over!

Adam Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 687053)
So, it's none of the above. We ain't shootin' free throws, and a tie game certainly can't be over!

Right, a game of knockout would ensue.

JugglingReferee Thu Jul 29, 2010 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 687053)
So, it's none of the above. We ain't shootin' free throws, and a tie game certainly can't be over!

I'd love to explain this one to a coach that thinks he should get a foul shot to end the game.

Adam Thu Jul 29, 2010 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 687058)
I'd love to explain this one to a coach that thinks he should get a foul shot to end the game.

Me too. Too bad the ensuing technical foul free throws couldn't be used to end the 4th quarter. :)

tjones1 Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:09am

Sounds to me A34 is in the act of shooting...

What am I missing?

Back In The Saddle Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 687042)
A34 drives to the basket with :03 left in the game he jumps to shot and while in the air with the ball still in his hands the horn goes off and then after the horn but before he lands on the floor B54 fouls A34…do we have anything or is the game over?

If anyone has a rules reference that would be great.

That's some SERIOUS hang time :eek:

zm1283 Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 687145)
Sounds to me A34 is in the act of shooting...

What am I missing?

How are you going to shoot FTs for a shot that never happened?

Back In The Saddle Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:18am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 687148)
How are you going to shoot FTs for a shot that never happened?

What does the shot happening have to do with being fouled in the act of shooting?

zm1283 Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 687049)
Good point; I missed that the horn went off prior to release. That changes everything, BTW. The ball is dead at the horn since the try hadn't been released yet. No foul (unless it's intentional or flagrant contact), and no free throws.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 687149)
What does the shot happening have to do with being fouled in the act of shooting?

See above. How are you going to shoot FTs if the try had not been released before the horn?

I was using a figure of speech more than anything else.


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