Do we shoot FT or is the game over?
 

A34 drives to the basket with :03 left in the game he jumps to shot and while in the air with the ball still in his hands the horn goes off and then after the horn but before he lands on the floor B54 fouls A34…do we have anything or is the game over?

If anyone has a rules reference that would be great.

What's the score?

The score is tied!

In your scenario, you'd shoot at least one of the free throws. If he makes the first, game over. If he misses the first, he shoots the second. The only time you don't shoot FTs on a shooting foul is if time has expired in the 4th quarter or OT, and there aren't enough FTs to affect the outcome.
In your scenario, the ball is live until the shot is over.
If, however, the team that would shoot is ahead, you would not shoot.
If the team that would shoot is behind by more points than free throws have been awarded, you would not shoot.

We aren't going to count the basket if the shot is after the horn...or are we?

Good point; I missed that the horn went off prior to release. That changes everything, BTW. The ball is dead at the horn since the try hadn't been released yet. No foul (unless it's intentional or flagrant contact), and no free throws.

So, it's none of the above. We ain't shootin' free throws, and a tie game certainly can't be over!

Right, a game of knockout would ensue.

I'd love to explain this one to a coach that thinks he should get a foul shot to end the game.

Me too. Too bad the ensuing technical foul free throws couldn't be used to end the 4th quarter. :)

Sounds to me A34 is in the act of shooting...

What am I missing?

That's some SERIOUS hang time :eek:

How are you going to shoot FTs for a shot that never happened?

What does the shot happening have to do with being fouled in the act of shooting?

See above. How are you going to shoot FTs if the try had not been released before the horn?

I was using a figure of speech more than anything else.

4-1-1 Definition of airborne shooter "...a player who has released the ball on a try..."

6-7-6 Dead Ball "The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when time expires for a quarter or extra period." Exception if a try or tap is IN FLIGHT.

Now see 4-19-1 Note
"Contact after the ball has become dead is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or
flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter."

So the rules say to ignore the contact (unless intentional or flagrant) when the ball becomes dead and then a player who is not an airborne shooter is fouled.

If the foul had happened prior to the horn, and the shot was not released prior to the horn, you would still shoot free throws (even if no one saw the clock and thus no time was put back on).

The fact that the foul happened after the horn, and the shot was not released prior to the horn. Two key facts for the OP.

Exactly. I started to disagree with an earlier post until I reread the OP. It has a very particular sequence of events that makes all the difference.

Bingo... thanks. I knew I over read something.

Great situation! Nice read, thanks to all posters.

You Learn Something Every Day ...
 

Rule 6-7: The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:

Article 7: A foul, other than player- or team-control, occurs

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

c: Article 7 occurs by any opponent of a player who has started a try or tap for goal (is in the act of shooting) before the foul occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight. The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in the player’s hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is completed when the ball is clearly in flight. The trying motion may include arm, foot or body movements used by the player when throwing the ball at his/her basket.

Wow. Great thread. Before I read this thread, I would have awarded the offensive player two free throws, because he was in the act of shooting, as an airborne shooter, and I would have believed that the ball would remain alive until he landed. I guess that I would have been wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

You might want to read this definition, too.

4-1 ...
 

AIRBORNE SHOOTER
ART. 1 . . . An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try
for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor.
ART. 2 . . . The airborne shooter is considered to be in the act of shooting.