OT--I didn't like this

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Yes, I'm OK with it. Although I do not work baseball or softball (although I did work some kids ball when I was a teenager a few centuries ago), I don't see what he did as any different than when I tell a coach: "Look coach, let's trade places. You come out here on the court and call the game and I'll sit on the bench and act like a jacka$$".

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I agree. They are essentially the same. And without being overly judgmental, I would personally never do either one.

I think there's a huge difference between quietly telling a coach you've had enough (however you choose to do so), and letting the whole park know what's going on.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I think there's a huge difference between quietly telling a coach you've had enough (however you choose to do so), and letting the whole park know what's going on.

I guess I have to agree. Letting the whole park know what's going on is much more effective (and fun). So.....next time I tell a coach that, I'll do it over the PA system.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Yes, I'm OK with it. Although I do not work baseball or softball (although I did work some kids ball when I was a teenager a few centuries ago), I don't see what he did as any different than when I tell a coach: "Look coach, let's trade places. You come out here on the court and call the game and I'll sit on the bench and act like a jacka$$".

I would say there's a vast difference between the two. One shows up the coach and makes a spectacle while the other can be done quickly and silently (and better worded) without anybody knowing the better. It's never okay for a player or coach to show us up, but I think we can't lower ourselves to that level.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by allpurposegamer

i would say there's a vast difference between the two. One shows up the coach and makes a spectacle while the other can be done quickly and silently (and better worded) without anybody knowing the better. It's never okay for a player or coach to show us up, but i think we can't lower ourselves to that level.

+1000

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I agree. They are essentially the same. And without being overly judgmental, I would personally never do either one.

Agree 114%.

Our association has a Code of Conduct that very explicitly states that officials should never engage in these wise-azz exchanges with anyone, no matter the level being played or the circumstances involved. It's quite simply a matter of professionalism. We expect a helluva lot more from our officials than we do from the coaches, players and fans.

If you have a problem with someone, deal with it calmly and professionally.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

We expect a helluva lot more from our officials than we do from the coaches, players and fans.

++

This line is the key to it all.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree 114%.

Please use metric percentages only in posts regarding FEEBLE rules, please.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Please use metric percentages only in posts regarding FEEBLE rules, please.

Another FEEBLE attempt at humor.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Another FEEBLE attempt at humor.

I thought it was funny!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree 114%.

Our association has a Code of Conduct that very explicitly states that officials should never engage in these wise-azz exchanges with anyone, no matter the level being played or the circumstances involved. It's quite simply a matter of professionalism. We expect a helluva lot more from our officials than we do from the coaches, players and fans.

If you have a problem with someone, deal with it calmly and professionally.

While helping at a camp recently, I observed a fellow evaluator pull a stunt that some have suggested they might do but one that I never thought I'd see.

There was a fan/dad giving the refs a hard time. This observer challenged him to come down and ref the game. The fan, surprisingly, took the challenge. The observer then shadowed the fan while the fan tried to ref and more or less mocked him rather than instructing or critiquing like the "real" refs.

To say the least, it was highly unprofessional on many levels.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While helping at a camp recently, I observed a fellow evaluator pull a stunt that some have suggested they might do but one that I never thought I'd see.

There was a fan/dad giving the refs a hard time. This observer challenged him to come down and ref the game. The fan, surprisingly, took the challenge. The observer then shadowed the fan while the fan tried to ref and more or less mocked him rather than instructing or critiquing like the "real" refs.

To say the least, it was highly unprofessional on many levels.

I'd pay a small amount to see that though!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree 114%.

Our association has a Code of Conduct that very explicitly states that officials should never engage in these wise-azz exchanges with anyone, no matter the level being played or the circumstances involved. It's quite simply a matter of professionalism. We expect a helluva lot more from our officials than we do from the coaches, players and fans.

If you have a problem with someone, deal with it calmly and professionally.

And I agree with this 116%!

A lot of the little comments that posters put on this board are so outrageously unprofessional that they could only be used in a non-association type youth league. Saying that type of thing to any HS (or higher) coach would be the end of their officiating in that association.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While helping at a camp recently, I observed a fellow evaluator pull a stunt that some have suggested they might do but one that I never thought I'd see.

There was a fan/dad giving the refs a hard time. This observer challenged him to come down and ref the game. The fan, surprisingly, took the challenge. The observer then shadowed the fan while the fan tried to ref and more or less mocked him rather than instructing or critiquing like the "real" refs.

To say the least, it was highly unprofessional on many levels.

Ew! He didn't let the guy use his whistle, did he?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

A lot of the little comments that posters put on this board are so outrageously unprofessional that they could only be used in a non-association type youth league.

Agree completely but I also don't think that non-association youth leagues are a place for any of those wise-azz responses either. You might get away with using them a heckuva lot easier there but that still doesn't make them right. I think that youth rec leagues deserve the same amount of professionalism from officials as we give to the higher, more structured leagues. If these rec leagues have a behavioral problem with their participants...players, coaches, fans...then we should be working with them towards a solution. And if we run into a rec league that doesn't seem that interested in curbing their behavioral problems, well, then let 'em get their officials from some other source if they can.

There is no need to ever take any crap out on the court, but there also is a proper way for us to deal with the crap.

JMO.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree completely but I also don't think that non-association youth leagues are a place for any of those wise-azz responses either. You might get away with using them a heckuva lot easier there but that still doesn't make them right. I think that youth rec leagues deserve the same amount of professionalism from officials as we give to the higher, more structured leagues. If these rec leagues have a behavioral problem with their participants...players, coaches, fans...then we should be working with them towards a solution. And if we run into a rec league that doesn't seem that interested in curbing their behavioral problems, well, then let 'em get their officials from some other source if they can.

There is no need to ever take any crap out on the court, but there also is a proper way for us to deal with the crap.

JMO.

Agree with this also. I was NOT trying to say it was OK...just that there is no way you could get away with that stuff in a "regular" association.