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The Observer Tue Feb 29, 2000 12:20am

A player has the ball in either the deep left or deep right corner, out near the side line. At either of these positions, if the player shoots the ball, the ball will pass over the corner of the rectangular backboard. And since the ball passed over the backboard do you blow the ball dead? If the ball went thru the basket do you disallow the goal?

Smoke Tue Feb 29, 2000 01:36am

Yes I think you disallow the goal . I think if it is a fan shaped backboard it would be legal??

Madine30 Tue Feb 29, 2000 02:18am

I think if the shot is taken from deep in the corner, I would allow the basket. I can't visualize how from that angle, the ball would pass over the backboard. I'm not sure what the exact intent of the rule is, or why it is in the rule book. If we found this informaion out, we might be able to better answer this question.

Bart Tyson Tue Feb 29, 2000 10:31am

I can't recall ever seeing a shot from deep in the corner go over the board. I would allow the basket.

bob jenkins Tue Feb 29, 2000 10:44am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Geneva">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Observer on 02-28-2000 11:20 PM
A player has the ball in either the deep left or deep right corner, out near the side line. At either of these positions, if the player shoots the ball, the ball will pass over the corner of the rectangular backboard. And since the ball passed over the backboard do you blow the ball dead? If the ball went thru the basket do you disallow the goal?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'd check your math / geometry. Assuming the diagram in the front of the rule book is to scale, then a quick check with a straight edge shows that the center of the ball wouldn't pass over the backboard unless the shot was taken from just a couple of feet from the free throw lane.

Plus, the rule doesn't specify whether "part of the ball" or "all of the ball" must pass over the backboard (at least that I could find). even if it's "part" of the ball, I still think the shot would need to be inside the three-point arc before it would pass over the backboard.

bpatrick Tue Feb 29, 2000 11:02am

The main intent of this rule is to not allow a pass from out of bounds to go over the backboard. I believe it was Wilt Chamberlan that when this was legal teams used to put chicken wire in the supports to stop them from just lobbing the ball to him. To answer the original question I would count the shot from the corner.

BigDave Tue Feb 29, 2000 03:43pm

I believe a shot from the "extreme corner" is still legal. I would count it.

It would take some HUGE "cahones" to try and sell "no basket" to the coach. Look at it this way; if you count the basket is the other coach gonna go berserk? Probably not...

Jeremy Hohn Wed Mar 01, 2000 08:26pm

The federation rule does not have a penalty for passing over the backboard on a pass or shot. The ncaa rule is that the ball is dead however. I say count the goal and play on.

bob jenkins Thu Mar 02, 2000 10:11am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Geneva">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeremy Hohn on 03-01-2000 07:26 PM
The federation rule does not have a penalty for passing over the backboard on a pass or shot. The ncaa rule is that the ball is dead however. I say count the goal and play on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Has the Fed changed 7-1-2 Note?

Brian Watson Fri Mar 03, 2000 03:08pm

Not to rain on the NF and their intellectual glory, but I interpret any shot taken within the legal boundary of the court, counts. I am not a geometry whiz by any standard, but if A1 is inside the side or baseline, itÂ’s good(with exceptions, of course). Now, I would disallow someone who is falling out of bounds (baseline) and heaves one over; and I would disallow some contortionist who may be able to stay inbounds under the basket and manages to get one over backboard. But in the play originally described, you let him have it, great play and move on. That is, unless you really don't like the school and you do not want to be asked back.

Tom Cook Fri Mar 03, 2000 11:27pm

I would count the shot unless it was an extreme circumstance, like the contortionist from directly under the basket. I think this is one where you have to consider the spirit of the rule and not get carried away with the letter.

Jeremy Hohn Tue Mar 28, 2000 06:30am


Bob, thanks for the correction!!!


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