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Indianaref Tue Jun 29, 2010 09:22am

Rebounding Play
 
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GoodwillRef Tue Jun 29, 2010 09:31am

Incidental contact...he didn't even know the defender was there.

Hornets222003 Tue Jun 29, 2010 09:36am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 683691)
Incidental contact...he didn't even know the defender was there.

Are you sure he didn't know that a 7' man who just took a swipe at the ball wasn't still there? :)

Jurassic Referee Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:16am

Elbow was moving faster than the pivot. Foul under basketball rules. NBA though---->:confused:

bainsey Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:32am

The rebounder was clearly looking to make a pass, so I find the elbow movement and unfortunate contact to be incidental.

mbyron Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:59am

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Originally Posted by jurassic referee (Post 683711)
elbow was moving faster than the pivot. Foul under basketball rules. Nba though---->:confused:

+1

Adam Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:02am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 683727)
+1

+2

GoodwillRef Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 683711)
Elbow was moving faster than the pivot. Foul under basketball rules. NBA though---->:confused:


I would disagree with your assessment...the elbows and his pivot are moving at the same time. It was a simple pivot keeping his elbows out and the ball high...just like every coach in America teaches. IMO...the referee over reacted when Garnett hit the floor.

Adam Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:40am

Garnett is entitled to his spot on the floor. The rebounder had his elbows extended beyond his protected space. If Garnett had been sticking his nose in the rebounder's space, it would be on him. That wasn't the case here, IMO.

GoodwillRef Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:43am

Just wondering why the official standing 6 feet from the play has nothing? Because it was nothing that is why...if that elbow hits him in the shoulder or chest there wouldn't be a call at all.

Adam Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:57am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 683748)
Just wondering why the official standing 6 feet from the play has nothing? Because it was nothing that is why....

Yeah, that's the only explanation....

CLH Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:58am

Pretty easy offensive foul to me...

Jurassic Referee Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 683747)
Garnett is entitled to his spot on the floor. <font color = red> The rebounder had his elbows extended beyond his protected space.</font> If Garnett had been sticking his nose in the rebounder's space, it would be on him. That wasn't the case here, IMO.

+1. That's not a normal position; it's an extension..and swing imo... of the elbows.

DLH17 Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 683691)
Incidental contact...he didn't even know the defender was there.

From the overhead, slo mo view, it's obvious that Howard knew something or someone was immediately to his right and back.

Also from that angle, it's easy to see Howard initiating contact with his elbow before pivoting.

Camron Rust Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 683745)
I would disagree with your assessment...the elbows and his pivot are moving at the same time. It was a simple pivot keeping his elbows out and the ball high...just like every coach in America teaches. IMO...the referee over reacted when Garnett hit the floor.

Disagree...he snapped the elbow into Garnett's head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 683747)
Garnett is entitled to his spot on the floor. The rebounder had his elbows extended beyond his protected space.

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 683748)
Just wondering why the official standing 6 feet from the play has nothing? Because it was nothing that is why...if that elbow hits him in the shoulder or chest there wouldn't be a call at all.

Angles. Not everything can be seen from every angle...and not being a basketball player it was something that needed to be called by whoever saw it.

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 683761)
+1. That's not a normal position; it's an extension..and swing imo... of the elbows.

Precisely.


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