True, but the context in which you asked your question involved contact on a shooter, and you really didn't clarify differently until later. :)

You mentioned in post #63:
You still haven't answered my direct question - what supervisor agrees with your statement above about waiting to see if a foul should be called on contact on the hand/wrist (arm, whatever...) after the ball is released? Also, what supervisor or higher-level official agrees with your assertion that contact after the ball is released can actually affect the shot that's already in the air, as per your post #79:
I can understand JR's frustration, as you continue to make statements that are not widely-held in the officiating community, without backing from any rules, NFHS publications, NCAA rules, casebook, or interpretations.

You mentioned that as long as all of your assignors keep putting you on quality games, you're not going to change. Given the fact that almost everyone here has disagreed with some of your statements, that might give you reason to possibly re-consider your position. Granted, if we are all just nameless, faceless, internet posters that have no credibility, than the same obviously applies to you and your positions. :D

I certainly would not ask you to name-drop, :rolleyes: but I would be curious as to the level your supervisors assign. I would also be interested if you would e-mail those assignors with the question of whether they agree with the 2 statements that have met the most disagreement here:
1. Does contact on the hand/wrist after the shot affect the shot, and thus should be waited to be called a foul until the shot is missed?
2. On a drive to the basket, can there be contact that should not be called a foul only because the player made the shot, but the exact same contact would be a foul if the shot was missed? (As per your post #52, which JR has quoted several times.)

I'm interested if you would answer any of these questions directly.

Hasn't done so yet, has so? Avoided 'em like the plague.

Hey, maybe I'm the plague. Been called worse. :D

Well, if you're picking up dog crap without using some sort of glove, I'm avoiding you too. :D

This has got zippo to do with what we've being discussing but......

The only plausible reason to pause to see if the shot was good or not is to determine if the ball had gone in before the contact occurred. If it had, you ignore any subsequent contact after that unless that contact was intentional or flagrant because the ball is dead. And if you do call the dead-ball contact, you have to assess an intentional or flagrant technical foul. And if the ball doesn't go in, you have to decide whether any contact on the player(who's no longer an airborne shooter) that occurred either before or after the try missed is incidental or illegal using the criteria listed under INCIDENTAL CONTACT in NFHS rule 4-27-2&3.

And you never have to sell a correct call, so that's never a factor either imo. Correct calls sell themselves. Quit worrying about selling anything and concentrate on making the correct call.

Does that answer your question?

Gee, now you're misquoting me too. I said that I pretend to pick up dog crap. I ain't into either souvenirs or memorabilia.

Are we going to see a reference to Southern California come up any time soon?

LOL...you obviously have a good memory. Very apropos also. :D

Maybe we'll even get treated to a ....wait for it.....statement saying that's how it's done in the SEC.

What type of shooter should we have assumed you meant?

Most of us, when speaking of shooters (especially a shooter who is illegally contacted), are referring to airborne shooters.

All of a sudden I feel like a retiree. Where's my jello?

Not really, sir. Snaq made a comment from which I made a spinoff. But yes, you and Snaq answered my question. Thank you.

I was referring to the period well after the shot. Perhaps "shooter" is no longer the appropriate term, under the circumstances, but I thought I made it clear initially. Sorry for any confusion.

I did not know that he posted here. :D

It's late here on the east coast, NV.

Corrections are okay, but big red letters? Even I'm not that corrective.

No slight to you intended. I only did it because I found the typo highly amusing.

http://rickdaniels17.files.wordpress...08/06/shaq.jpg

Well, since you brought it up. There has been a cleaning house in the Big West Conference and over 15 new officials have been hired; many of them under the age of 40.

And all of them have just completed their third year of officiating....................

It's automatic at that stage of your basketball officiating career for SoCal officials.

It's true, it's true.......

Ah Big West, my alma mater is in that conference.

Nevada, that is a lot of Shaq first thing in the morning...

Needless to say, I bear no resemblance to the big Irish center, rapper, NBA icon, and former Army brat, Mr. O'Neal. He's much taller and he dresses better.

Nice.
 

That is a gem. Thank you.