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vbzebra Wed Jun 23, 2010 08:39pm

can't have offensive "kicking" violation?
 
In a game tonight, A1 dribbling, loses PC, kicks ball. I blow a kicking violation. at half, partner says you can't have an offensive kicking violation. I didn't know that. correct call? or correct partner? :eek:

APG Wed Jun 23, 2010 08:46pm

There is no provision in the rule that allows an offensive player to kick the ball. A kick ball violation is a violation for all.

I've had partners say this before. I usually always have my rule books with me and ask them kindly where I can find this "exception."

Adam Wed Jun 23, 2010 08:57pm

Now, the question is, did he kick it on purpose? That's all that matters. Typically, in your situation, the offensive player accidentally kicks it while running; no violation in that case.

mbyron Wed Jun 23, 2010 09:13pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 683087)
Now, the question is, did he kick it on purpose? That's all that matters. Typically, in your situation, the offensive player accidentally kicks it while running; no violation in that case.

I had a partner at camp last weekend who insisted on calling a kicking violation every time ball touched leg. Once it hit the back of the defender's leg. :rolleyes:

bainsey Wed Jun 23, 2010 09:26pm

I had an attempted steal bounce off my leg and out of bounds. The coach wanted a kicking violation on me. I told him it wasn't intentional.

CoachCER Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:06am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 683088)
I had a partner at camp last weekend who insisted on calling a kicking violation every time ball touched leg. Once it hit the back of the defender's leg. :rolleyes:


That seems to be a trend among some officials in Georgia, so much so that most coaches believe that any contact with the leg is automatically a kick. This just happened to come up in conversation with some coaches in our program the other night.

Rooster Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:21am

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Originally Posted by vbzebra (Post 683085)
In a game tonight, A1 dribbling, loses PC, kicks ball. I blow a kicking violation. at half, partner says you can't have an offensive kicking violation. I didn't know that. correct call? or correct partner? :eek:

Plus, once he or she loses PC he's no longer offensive player, right?

Nevadaref Thu Jun 24, 2010 02:45am

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Originally Posted by The Rooster (Post 683113)
Plus, once he or she loses PC he's no longer offensive player, right?

No, there would still be team control.

BillyMac Thu Jun 24, 2010 06:44am

A Soccer Game Broke Out ...
 
I had a recreation league game many years ago in which Team A was about to start a three on one fast break. Somehow the ball gets loose on the floor. A1 kicks the ball ahead to A2 for the uncontested layup, which didn't count because I called a kicking violation. Come to find out that A1 was a star player on the high school soccer team who was playing basketball in the winter to stay in shape.

SmokeEater Thu Jun 24, 2010 09:07am

I posted once a few years ago about a girl catching the ball on purpose between her legs. I called a violation and then took some time to explain intentional contact with the leg is a violation before she got T'd up. Honestly I could see it in her face as I made the call that an explanation was needed.

Rooster Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:22am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 683121)
No, there would still be team control.

Ahhh. I'm a dope. Because there could still be a backcourt violation... Duh!:o

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:48am

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Originally Posted by The Rooster (Post 683185)
Ahhh. I'm a dope. Because there could still be a backcourt violation... Duh!:o

Or a team control foul...or 3 seconds.

mbyron Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:54am

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Originally Posted by The Rooster (Post 683185)
Ahhh. I'm a dope. Because there could still be a backcourt violation... Duh!:o

Well, we don't say there's still team control because there could be BC violation. That's a symptom, not a cause.

There's still team control because none of the 3 things that ends team control has happened.

Adam Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:05am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 683195)
Well, we don't say there's still team control because there could be BC violation. That's a symptom, not a cause.

There's still team control because none of the 3 things that ends team control has happened.

Grammaticist!

Mark Padgett Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:35am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 683130)
Come to find out that A1 was a star player on the high school soccer team who was playing basketball in the winter to stay in shape.


Soccer - that's that game for kids who can't use their hands. :D

mbyron Thu Jun 24, 2010 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 683197)
Grammaticist!

I thought you'd accuse me of being too metaphysical. :eek:

Mark Padgett Thu Jun 24, 2010 03:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 683236)
I thought you'd accuse me of being too metaphysical. :eek:

I was accused once of being too metamental! Or maybe it was just being mental?

Nevadaref Thu Jun 24, 2010 04:25pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 683206)
Soccer - that's that game for kids who can't use their hands. :D

That's the game in which guys in Europe are making more money than those in the NFL and NBA.

Adam Thu Jun 24, 2010 04:51pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 683258)
That's the game in which guys in Europe are making more money than those in the NFL and NBA.

On average? Or just the top tier?

Nevadaref Thu Jun 24, 2010 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 683265)
On average? Or just the top tier?

Don't know. Would require a bit of research.

Adam Thu Jun 24, 2010 05:10pm

I was just curious. I know Beckham made quite a bit of cash, but I don't know how he compares with the likes of A-Rod, Peyton Manning, or even the pending contract with LeBron James (that will be artificially stunted by the salary cap).

Nevadaref Thu Jun 24, 2010 06:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 683267)
I was just curious. I know Beckham made quite a bit of cash, but I don't know how he compares with the likes of A-Rod, Peyton Manning, or even the pending contract with LeBron James (that will be artificially stunted by the salary cap).

Take a look at this article:
A look at the best paid soccer players in the English Premier League - by Ben Hughes - Helium

Note that the numbers are in British Pounds, so to convert to USD multiply by 1.5 .

Of particular note to your inquiry about the average $ earned is this: "the average way of the Premier League player is estimated to be 21,000 per week."

That is about 1.6 million USD per year. That's easily on par with the major sports in the US.

Mark Padgett Thu Jun 24, 2010 06:19pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 683269)
That is about 1.6 million USD per year. That's easily on par with the major sports in the US.

Are you kidding? Most NBE players have that much in loose change on their dresser. ;)

Nevadaref Thu Jun 24, 2010 08:25pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 683270)
Are you kidding? Most NBE players have that much in loose change on their dresser. ;)

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