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All good things to work on. I'm looking forward to being evaluated. I haven't been formally evaluated since the first game of last season.

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 682192)

As asked to me - "why?" I have "interrupted the game" or penalized A's ability to play through the contact (even though at the time B's contact caused B an advantage) and now I have brought the ball back to the spot to inbound, therefore taking away A's advantage.

I've gotta be more patient!

Or it could be a play where the is not a good time to call something or the play that we are calling does not exist. I hear this used much more about plays where there is nothing or not appropriate.

For example I have heard people say calling 3 seconds when the ball is on the rim, two seconds late.

Peace

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 682187)

What is a "game interrupter"? :confused:

A hot mom in really tight shorts. ;)

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 682192)

I know we have talked about this before.......

Sometimes I get critiqued for stopping the game when I shouldn't - a quick whistle if you will or a game interrupter as told to me (maybe better game management, patient whistle, discretion, or experience are better terms).

<font color = red>An example of one I have done several times and need to be better at (as told to me by my evaluators). A1 has the ball in his backcourt and is defended by B1. A1 does a crossover dribble and goes by B1. B1 fouls A1 by bumping him off his mark on the way by changing A1's speed, rhtyhm, and direction. But, after a second or so, A1 has "played through" the contact and is going down court. Me - TWEEET! :mad:

As asked to me - "why?" I have "interrupted the game" or penalized A's ability to play through the contact (even though at the time B's contact caused B an advantage) and now I have brought the ball back to the spot to inbound, therefore taking away A's advantage.</font>

I've gotta be more patient!

Sooooo....a "game interrrupter" is really calling illegal contact for something that was incidental contact? Seeing that incidental contact versus a foul for illegal contact is always a judgment call, what are they really teaching you here?

Why not just say "Hey you, read the rule book and follow NFHS rule 4-27". For instance re: for the red-highlighted part above, replace that with R4-27-3--"Similarly, contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental." That concept would seem to be a helluva lot easier to teach someone imo.

You're right that the key is being more patient. But all your evaluators are really telling you is to just take a second longer to decide whether the contact was incidental or illegal. Why not just say that to the person being evaluated? Iow, KIFSS!

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 682196)

However, when I used the term, I was thinking something completely different. i.e. paying closer attention to who and where ball will be inbounded as a result of a time out. Game re-set stuff.

Game re-set stuff? As in what game re-set stuff? :confused:

I don't have a clue as to how "game re-set stuff" can be a "game-interrupter". Can you explain?

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 682201)

Or it could be a play where the is not a good time to call something or the play that we are calling does not exist. I hear this used much more about plays where there is nothing or not appropriate.

Ah yes, the true game interrupter.

A bad or wrong call!

Finally, I see the light. :D

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 682206)

You're right that the key is being more patient. But all your evaluators are really telling you is to just take a second longer to decide whether the contact was incidental or illegal. Why not just say that to the person being evaluated? Iow, KIFSS!

Hence, something I need to work on - and I know it. Which is important to me.

Of course you say it so much more eloquently than my evaluators.....:p

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 682207)

Game re-set stuff? As in what game re-set stuff? :confused:

I don't have a clue as to how "game re-set stuff" can be a "game-interrupter". Can you explain?

Uh oh, I've awaken the junk yard dog. And the fangs are OUT! :)

/running away as fast as I can

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 682210)

Uh oh, I've awaken the junk yard dog. And the fangs are OUT! :)

/running away as fast as I can

Alternatively, you could answer his question. I'm just as confused by your answer.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 682211)

Alternatively, you could answer his question. I'm just as confused by your answer.

experience has taught me there is no "right answer" in when the junk yard dog calls you out

for you snaq, i'll re-answer: where the ball will be inbounded following a timeout.

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 682209)

Hence, something I need to work on - and I know it. Which is important to me.

Of course you say it so much more eloquently than my evaluators.....:p

Naw, not more eloquently. Just simpler imo. I wasn't trying to be a wise-azz but that term "game interrupter" causes more confusion than anything else being taught in my experience. They tried to teach me the concept of having a patient whistle many moons ago. The concept hasn't changed but they keep coming up with new ways to explain it.

In my experience, most of the time that an evaluator tells someone they called a "game interrupter", all that they're really saying is that you made a wrong call. They should explain to you at the same time exactly why they thought that you made a wrong call. And in the case that you stated, it was because you didn't wait that extra half-second to see whether anyone was really getting an advantage through that contact. That's teaching...and learning.

Again, jmo.

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 682212)

for you snaq, i'll re-answer: where the ball will be inbounded following a timeout.

And the question from the junk-yard dinosaur is "does that mean a game interrupter is really a screw-up by an official?"

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 682217)

And the question from the junk-yard dinosaur is "does that mean a game interrupter is really a screw-up by an official?"

yes

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 682212)

experience has taught me there is no "right answer" in when the junk yard dog calls you out

for you snaq, i'll re-answer: where the ball will be inbounded following a timeout.

I'm not sure how that is a "game interrupter." Are you talking about when the official simply inbounds from the wrong spot, or when they get confused and delay the inbound while they play pocket pool?

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 682218)

yes

And that's basically all that I really tried to say in previous posts.