Thanks for catching my mistake.

The OP said he hustled and used good mechanics on every play. That would mean he was working the 3 pt line across the floor, down for rebounds, keeps working for a good angle, goes across the lane without hesitation, hustles back to cover his line. That is alot of movement without loosing effort.

If these games were played on smaller than regulation floors, he omitted information to help his claim that he was able to give and sustain 100% hustle.

One of my earlier posts indicated all games were played on a regulation h.s. court.

I also indicated my speed to spots probably decreased over the course of the day, but my effort did not decrease. I was putting forth the same effort in the latter games (which were championship games) on Sunday as the first games that day. Had to be as sharp as possible for those. The competitive level of play was noticeably higher for those games than during pool play on Saturday.

Not that I want to defend the guy --- but 2 on, 1 off would require an 11 game set to work 8 (assuming you have the first shift). On, On, Off, On, On, Off, On, On, Off, On, On - 8 on's, 3 off's.

Maybe you do not realize this, but many of us know each other by our real names. I know many officials here by their real names. I have also attended camps with many of the participants and in some rare cases we work for the same people in college conferences. As well as some even live in the area that I do and we belong to the same local associations.

And there is a big difference. No one has said I was wrong about this claim. Just about everyone said you were wrong about your claim.

And if anyone has a chip on your shoulder it is you. You are the one defending your crap again and again and again while multiple people seem to find holes in your claims. Stop trying to change the subject, there is no way that you work multiple games in a day and perfectly use every mechanic during live or dead ball periods. As a clinician for my state, I know officials cannot do that in a camp setting. I doubt you are perfect as you say you are. I would just love to watch one of your games and see all the things you claim you do not be there. Heck the college camp I attended this past weekend the clinicians did not expect that.


Something tells me you do not. As you have constantly tried to defend your position which many have seen many holes in what you have said. Oh well, keep doing what you are doing.

Peace

:)

I did not know that. That's pretty cool. Officiating can be a bit of a fraternity. Part of the fun.

You're making stuff up again. Never said I was doing anything perfectly. In fact, I said I'm always trying to get better, which clearly implies I know I'm not perfect.

Again, I've never claimed to be perfect...only strive to do the best job I can. Mistakes are inevitable.

And, I'd love to have you evaluate me and give needed criticism. Constructive criticism is always welcome.

When your criticism of other officials is that they do not switch during dead balls and do things like bump and run during summer ball that sounds like you are saying are perfect to me. It might be some hyperbole on your part, but you suggested that you hustled and everyone else was not giving their best effort because they were not doing these very specific things you suggested they should. Then you have had people that suggested while working multiple games that was somewhat unrealistic. Then you snapped back at everyone and said you did not slow down a bit. If that is not implying you are perfect I do not know what is. Even during a real game I would expect some lapses in those things you claim you do all the time. For one I know that I might not bump and run because my partners and I make a mistake as to where we are to go. It is not always an issue of hustle.

In my circles you would be the "yeah but" guy. The guy that we would tell you something and you would insist there was a reason for your mistake.

Peace

read the thread....here's what i posted earlier:

All I can say is, you inferred incorrectly. I'm far from perfect. But def want to get better instead of becoming stagnant or indifferent.

I'm the guy who, when more experienced officials come to me for discussion or feedback in summer camps (or any other occassion), listens closely and works on things discussed. More often than not, their is a look of surprise on their faces because, apparently, it's rare for officials to accept feedback about their own performances from peers w/o getting brushed off or some air of attitude. I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

Maybe "in my circles" you would be the evaluator that is a windbag that loves to hear the sound of his own voice. Is that fair? Probably not. Neither was your "yeah but" guy quip.

A) How does this differ from what he said (i.e. what was the point of this rebuttal)? He said 11 hours, you show 11 hours. Same.

B) This is not 8 games on Saturday and 8 games on Sunday.

OK ... we all know that most of us probably behave differently here than in the "real world". And while I admit that the two of us probably got under our skin and both said things a bit more strongly and with less tact than we might have in real life...
and for my part I apologize for reacting that way...

I have to wonder, given your adverse/argumentative reaction to people ALL OVER the country telling you that your expectations of 100% hustle, 100% of the time, for 2 days straight over 8/11 games was unrealistic, I'm surprised you say you behave this way with evaluators you come face-to-face with. Why would you have not given THIS crowd (A crowd made up of 90% officials that care enough that they go onto a board like this in the first place, 9% coach/rats/parents wanting to stir trouble, and 1% 1-time parents/coaches with legit questions) the same courtesy. You immediately became argumentative when questioned at all.

I am only responding to what you have said to me and many others. ;)

This shows you have never been a person in my position. Because most guys deals with the "Yeah but" guys, just move on and do not talk to guys that know everything. I would rather give my time to the people that paid their money and want to learn, then the guy that paid their money and knows what they are doing. I will move on. What you need to understand is many of the people that you have challenged are very accomplished officials and are not speaking to you from ignorance. But you know.

Peace

It's not necessarily a rebuttal. He said he was a suspended disbeliever. So, I gave him my schedule. We had three gyms going that day. 2 friends worked the same schedule on one of the other two courts. In years past, we've traveled out of town to MAYBs where we've done between 20-25 games each from Friday afternoon through Sunday afternoon. Opportunities to do 2 on 1 off are plentious. No big deal. Lots of fun. Good chance to stay in shape. Earn some bucks.

Yea, I worked 15 instead of 16 last weekend...shoot me.

Ah, I see.

I don't believe he was disbelieving that you worked 8 in 11 --- I believe he disbelieved the rest of your assertions.

Let me just leave it as this... if you truly worked as hard as you say during game 1 and game 15 of this marathon, then you are Superman and I applaud you. The reason you're getting so much disbelief is that most of us have done marathons ourselves ... and MOST of the officials who would bother to spend time on a board like this are not the lazy bumpkins you mentioned in some of this thread - and our experience tells us that you just can't work that hard all the time during a marathon. This is why a few said you need to NOT work that hard at the beginnings - taking some shortcuts that don't negatively affect the game - so that you can be at your best at the end - the games that matter the most.

And again, my apologies for the blatant name-calling. It was uncalled for.

If you're extending an olive branch, I accept. And, I admit it takes two to tango. So, I apologize for my terseness as well.

Well, let's be clear about something. I expect 100% effort (however you want to define that - re: another poster in this thread said that might mean "pacing yourself" for the long haul) from myself and anyone else that is being paid to do a job on the court. Our kids deserve that.

Your question is a good one - the only answer I have is from the outset, there was a lot of venom. Nothing sincere about having a decent conversation. Just a lot of "BS", "you're a liar", etc etc. For better or worse, I reacted to that. Additionally, until JRutledge told me he was an evaluator in this thread, I had no clue who these anonymous people are. Does that mean they deserve less than respect? No. From the tone and attitude I was getting, it seemed like they would rather be confrontational and snarky than anything else.

In the end, I can only control my reactions though, so to that end, my apology is extended to JRutledgde, CamronRust and any others that felt put off by my posts.

I unconditionally accept your apology. Water under the bridge going fwd.

side note: please know that i never ever called out anyone on this forum as being lazy or lacking hustle. that was all centered around one of the guys that officiated my daughter's game a few weeks ago who i'd never met. get this - he was the third man in my group of 3 that did that 2 on 1 off. no lie. it was a hoot. i never brought it up. just played it cool and had fun. :)

Works for me. :) Do we hug now? :eek::cool:

Get a room.

um...err...uh...heheh....:o

Might I suggest?
 

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It was pretty vacant during the NCAA Tourney, it's probably available now. ;)

Faster Than A Speeding Bullet ...
 

More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Look. Up in the sky. It's a bird? It's a plane? It's Superef.

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A Little High ???
 

I used a pedometer for a few high school varsity games this past year. Averaged about three miles, from pregame locker room, to post game locker room.

I average that in some places just getting from the changing room to the gym floor!!!

"Shaken, not stirred"
 

For those who don't know my real name, it's Bond, James Bond. I'm just a sweet transvestite from Transexual, Transylvania.

All this sounds familiar somehow.

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Criticism of another official, his positioning, etc.

Mention of one's own hustle.

Interesting. Sometimes things come full circle.

Here is the thing. Everything I have done can be verified as an official. And even the situation that I described that you quoted can be verified. And if I recall I actually worked with a person on this board when after my injury. I did not make a claim that I could never back up. Sorry, not the same thing or the same situation.

What you might want to do is let it go. That conversation was long over. But hey, if you were confident in your own abilities you would not be concerned what I said about you in the first place.

Peace

The point is you are criticizing this guy for criticizing other officials, when you were guilty of exactly the same thing. Then, as is so often the case, when called on it, you disappear from the thread.

Dude, you really need to let it go. Whatever you think I need to verify for you is not going to happen. Actually the situation is not even close the same thing. One was about a person that made comments about people he came in direct contact with. The other was for comments made on this board and this board only. I almost never talk about partners that I work with here and I never will. Because if I were to say something about someone here, it could be verified and I do not want to embarrass that person or people involved.

And the quote you referenced about my hustle can be verified. I actually worked my first game back from a hamstring injury with a person that is on this board. And anyone here that has seen me work can verify how I work and I even publicized a game this past February that was on TV. BTW, there was a person on this board that stopped by the game and watched me as well.

Let it go. It is time to worry about what you do and then you will be happy. Obviously you are still worried about what I think about you. You really do not want my opinion on this now. :D

Peace

Gee, JAR, didya forget about this thread when you made the "criticizing other officials" remark above?

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...onfidence.html

The point is you are criticizing this guy for criticizing other officials. when you were guilty of exactly the same thing.

Comment? Or y'all just gonna disappear from this thread? :p


<font size = -3>This forum is better than Oprah some days. :D</font>

Thanks for hijacking my thread, just another ref! :p

Mine too. If they want to pay $20 to $25 for a game and want me to work 4 games, I'm pacing myself. Period. And nobody cares.

I actually wanted to try that...wife and I run 10k's and 1/2 marathons (ok, SHE does that more than me...psycho :eek:...), but I was interested to see how much mileage is put on during a game :D

From an assignor's standpoint, I'd damnwell better not be getting any complaints about you pacing yourself either. If you can keep the game under control and call it uniformly at both ends, then you've done your job...and done it well also imo.

And with these rec league tournaments, about 98.83% of the time that a game does get out of control, it's NOT the officials' fault anyway.

There's a real world out there.

You're leaving out a step. I say it's OK to criticize other officials. It's criticizing the criticism which is, in this case, creating the conflict.

In the old thread in question, the whole deal was about giving my partner info and allowing him to correct an erroneous GT call. In passing, I mentioned that both of us were somewhat behind where we might like to have been on the play because 17 year olds run faster than we do. (couldn't keep up with 'em then, can't now) Rut popped off about how he could keep up and what great shape he was/is in. (which actually had nothing to do with the thread and the matter at hand) I offered him the opportunity to describe where he would have positioned himself before, during, and after the play, but he was never heard from again. Go figure.

I decided not to respond because it is pointless talking to you. Why say something to someone that knows what I already think or what I already feel.

Having a discussion with you is like having a discussion with some girl I once dated about some issue we argued about 10 years ago. Not only is it not fun, but it is totally unnecessary.

Peace

And the funny part he went to people in the game and sold out his partner. Wow!!! That is something I would never do or even share. I do not go around telling partners or coaches how bad I feel my partner is. I only talk about partners to very close people or if asked by assignors that assigned the game what I might think. I do not even like selling out someone in a camp setting if I am the only one there doing the evaluations and the people they are trying to work for are not there.

There is a big difference between talking about something here and referencing things people tell you, then going to my real life officiating and selling out partners or acting like an azz because an official does not work like I do. Good Lord and JAR is on me about what I said about him? Really, that is funny. No wonder I ignore his threads normally.

Peace

This thread has become more than I ever dreamed it would be.

A big THANK YOU to all participants, hijackers and otherwise.

:D

You dreamed about this thread? :eek:

As someone who has been properly chasitsed for critical comments on officials, let me add my .02. :D
You think you have it rough watching what you say about local officials. Try being as close as I am with a person who has coached in the area for 25 years!! While she is not above having game film set up for me to watch she doesn't do it as often becuase she says "You ALWAYS side with the officials when I show you something" I usually just give her advice on a way to handle or approach officials the next time, i.e.: use words like displace, hot stove etc, avoid saying "3 seconds" ; get them off etc. ( Of course, this also lands me on the sofa from time to time, but at least our big screen and XBOX are out here so that helps!!!)
I usually hear from all the officials that work her games and we get good laughs out of it sometimes. I usually tell them they need to "T" her more b/c I am tired of hearing "I only have 4 technical fouls in 25 years of coaching". I think we need to get that number up around an even dozen!!!

How's THAT for thread hijacking?:cool:

some of us dream of performing in that big game....i dream of starting ginormous officiating.com basketball threads

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Re-read your original post. I don't see how you come about that conclusion. You listed 4 specific requirements laid out by your assignor.

I love it! Good stuff.

those are 4 main criteria. of course, he periodically sends e-mail blasts and tells us in person at meetings additional things that he likes for us to do (or not do) on the court. not sure he's ever just sent a comprehensive be all end all list of is "things to do". but, those are the some of the things that have stuck with me over the years.

Shut up!!! That applies to whomever the shoe fits on. :)

Reminds me of a story. High school debate competition colocated with high school wrestling meet one weekend. School's cafeteria is open, and the line is mixed with students from both competitions.

Wrestler: "Where's the salt at?"
Debater: "You're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition."
Wrestler: "Okay, where's the salt at, a$$hole."

You mean I could have skipped 9 whole pages of crap and came straight to the punch line ? Seems like that could almost be the # 1 rule of forum officiating ;)

If You Value All That Is Good In Life ...
 

I only wish that was the number one rule. It isn't. Hopefully Mark Padgett won't read the post. In any case, please don't ask him about the number one rule. Consider yourself warned.

You realize that all the refs who don't know the #1 rule could suffer greatly. :eek:

I know of one boxer that seems to not mind this rule as much. ;)

Peace

Really? I'm not sure what the US Senator from CA has to do with this. :confused:

Didn't "go to" anybody. Didn't sell out anybody. (others disagree) Definitely didn't say anybody was bad.

When I make a mistake, I don't care who tells it or who knows about it. Post it here. Print it in the paper. Announce it on the PA during the game. I can handle it.

Rut said that when DLH criticized other officials, it meant he thought he was perfect. Rut's interpretations of things are often, uh, interesting.

But, when I was discussing a call, getting the call right, etc. Rut chimed in with his assessment that we were out of position, and that he could keep up with 17 years olds because he hustles and is in great shape. This sounds close to a declaration of perfection to me.

Seemed like an eerie coincidence.

The truth might hurt a little bit.
 

I would much rather be accused of what you are saying about me, then be a partner that sells out my partners like you did in the post that JR pointed out. You will never find someone that thinks I did that to them and I have been the "veteran" on many crews. Maybe that is where you are in your career and the people you work for cannot trust you to be in that situation very often. I am assigned many times to be that official and you do not see me coming here talking about how bad my partners are and how good I am, as you did in the “Vote of Confidence” thread.

Peace

and then.......

:rolleyes:

I decided not to respond to an old post you dumbazz. This I have no problem responding to because you were called out for something while trying to live on your high horse. And you had many officials call you out for your position back in January. But I noticed you did not respond to my claims. They must be true based on your logic. Or will you go away from this thread and not answer those claims? :D

Peace

That thread actually relates very little to this one. I never used the words good and bad. I said I stepped up and made most of the calls, which was already obvious to the people at the game. Whether any of us were good or bad is a matter of opinion.

This issue at hand was criticizing another official for lack of hustle and declaring oneself better. (perfect)

Not surprisingly, this prompted me to recall your post:

The above post being made even though speed, position, and hustle, or the lack thereof, had absolutely no bearing on the call which was made.

I just report the facts.

I'm sorry, are you talking to Rut, or about Rut? Seriously, I turned off right about here.

Good or bad was not part of the criticism. Your selling out your partners was. I know, I know, you do not want to address that part at all now do you? ;)

What I find interesting, you only showed my response, not the entire thread. Why? Do you have some issue to hide? Do you not want to show the context of the entire conversation? JR pointed out all your comments, not just one or two.

Secondly my criticism of this official was based on an unrealistic expectation. He wanted officials to run and hustle for multiple games (which he misrepresented, then had to backtrack) just like it was a regular game during summer ball mostly during live ball. He even showed assignor’s expectations which did not include his personal standards. This was pointed out by many people, not just me. And in many cases my opinions were rather mild. I did not call him a liar or accuse him of trying to be perfect. I did say to him if he were to work these games and be evaluated, would he have perfect mechanics at all times? I said that I do not believe he did what he said and stand by that statement. And other than your comments about me everyone pretty much agreed with that opinion directly or indirectly.

Your play you claimed you could not get back and make the play. I just came from a college camp this past weekend. There were multiple (if not every) officials that were totally capable to get back and make calls. So if I am perfect, there are a lot of officials perfect. And they are in shape (in some cases better shape than me) have no problem making those types of calls. And you have never heard a single person here that has seen me officiate ever claim I cannot get up and down the court and make plays like we talked about in that thread. Certainly not the kids that I was talking about. Hell if I can run with adults like I did today and "receive the play" as the lead, I think 16 and 17 year old are not a problem. And I am not even in my best shape as I was during the past basketball season and I can keep up rather well. That does not require perfection, that just requires knowledge and getting in shape to keep up. I am certainly not alone there. Maybe you are like a lot of guys that complain what they cannot do and never work hard enough to get to that point. I really do not know, but you were making excuses and I called you on it.


Actually your speed, positioning and hustle matters a lot during plays. And if it did not matter to coaches, they would not comment on it when officials are not in the right spot. It not only matters to getting plays right, it also matters to the perception when you are not in the best position in many cases. It is not the only thing, but it is a big thing. Then again, you are just another ref. Not a spectacular one. ;)

And the sad part of all of this is you sound like a little girl that did not win the argument the last time and tried to morph this conversation into that one. I have no problem playing that game, because you have nothing more than a couple of words you think do not add up.

Maybe he should have used blue font. :eek:

Peace

Ha! He's referring to you as if you're in a debate with an audience. :D

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

I know. That is what is so sad.

Peace

It is not entirely difficult if you are in the right position to begin with. Then again, I know who I am talking to. :D

Peace

The right position. OK. And you think it is advantageous to be ahead of a play like this one?

Of course not. They expect the Lead to be behind all plays. Which is why they call it the Lead position.

I should use blue font somewhere to get the point across.

Peace

What if a guy releases early, or snowbirds and never comes down at all? You get ahead of them too? Gee, Rut, I stand corrected. You are perfect.

For the lead to always be (or want to be) physically in the lead of the play, is not only impossible, but counterproductive.

You are still stuck on this. Really?

Here is your exact question:

Where did use the word “always” in this conversation? Can you show one quote where I said “always” in this situation? And it is not hard considering that a player still has to pick up the ball, then dribble and make a move to the basket. They are not always going in a straight line to the basket. It is not that hard if you can sprint. If you cannot run, then maybe it might be an issue. I can run and know others that can run and this is not a major issue for me. I did it today in many situations at an international player’s showcase where the players were all former college players trying to get pro jobs and are good athletes. I was able on many situations to beat the play to the end line. And this was on a college court and much faster than high school players. We know you are not talking about college players.

Also it is not counterproductive or the mechanics would require us to not be there most of the time. If you get beat you can get angles in other places, but there is a reason the mechanics wants you ahead of the play in most situations. If I recall (and I really have not been thinking about this conversation since you just brought it up), you said you could not ever get to the end line. Now maybe that says something about your physical abilities or maybe your fitness level. Because I saw many officials last weekend get to the spot several times.

Then again, you are just another ref, so I would not expect you to get that concept at all. You are still stuck on something I said months ago and worried about what I think about it today. Worry about what you do and hope it works out for you. I do what works for me and it definitely works for me. ;)

Peace

Never used the word always, but without knowing exactly where the steal occurred and where the players originally were, you still refer to it as "not that hard" and "not entirely difficult" so I just assumed a guy like you could always pull it off.

Enough already. I'm done. My apologies to the owner of the thread.

Many others.....:p

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...onfidence.html

Not taking sides, mind you. Just pointing out the revisionist history.....:D


<font size = -3>Whese these 2 are done on Oprah, we're booking 'em on Springer. And telling Jerry he's better hire another coupla bodyguards for that show. Can anybody else picture Jeff and JAR rolling around on the floor with the bodyguards trying to pull them apart? :D</font>

Does this mean I am no longer the apple of your eye?

Sorry, Dad.*





*DNA tests were inconclusive, but I feel it in my heart.

I think I will use this font more often.
 

I am completely basing my comments on a complete and total lack of knowledge of the mechanics and situations.

Peace

When In Rome ...
 

Catholic middle school league. $40.00 per game. Seven minute periods. Stop time. Usually a boy/girl double header. Two person crew. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, enforce uniform and equipment restrictions, put the ball in play where it belongs, and not to participate in 50/50 raffles. We received emails from him this past season pointing out that some of us were showing up a little late for games, wearing sweats and/or sneakers, and/or not hustling, and he reminded us, actually threatened us, that this would not be tolerated. He also allows us to switch when convenient, report from places outside the reporting area, and administer the throwin from across the lane. Sometimes it's tough for rookies to get use to the relaxed mechanics, I know it was for me when I first came to this league, but almost all of the veterans are more than happy to go 100% mechanics if a rookie needs to learn the correct high school mechanics.

AAU is assigned by our high school assigner. $35.00 per game. Usually two games scheduled per two person crew. Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes. Sixteen minute halves. Stop time. Three 60's and two 30's. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, except that black shorts are allowed, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, and to put the ball in play where it belongs. Due to the tight schedule we are not discouraged from avoiding switches, from reporting from places outside the reporting area, and from administering the throwin from across the lane. Occasionally the AAU games are run in conjunction with our local board camp, and then we go 100% mechanics.

Boy - that was really sarcastic. I love it when you guys use the blue font! :)

Not even the fruit of my looms......:D

Bless You
 

Thank you. That very nicely sums up working AAU or whatever they call it out in the rust belt. The kids deserve a properly called game, no matter what the hucksters are doing to cut corners on paying officials, and we can give it to them. The only pet peeve I have about relaxed (excuse me, I mean paced) mechanics is I think it's important to switch on occasion so that things are balanced out on the floor.

Reading all the quibbling and arguing, I thought I had stumbled into a summer camp for coaches. Had an urge to whack someone.

As for eight games in one day, no chance on this earth can anyone be running anywhere near as effectively at the end as in the beginning. From tip-off in game 1 to the horn in game 8 is 12 hours. Presumably you have had something to eat in there (for me, that means a mandatory Siesta). Nobody can possibly be as sharp physically or mentally for the last one if they are for the first. Whether it's sex or calling basketball games, the law of diminishing returns is not suspended because we have some sort of conceited belief that we are Superman.

Back sometime in the early 90s, I worked a MS boys holiday tournament at a local HS gym that had two courts - one standard HS size and the other was what you would call MS size. The games were 20 minute running halves and they started one hour and ten minutes apart. On Friday night, I worked three games starting at 6:00. On both Saturday and Sunday, I worked four games in the mornings starting at 9:00 and four games in the evenings starting at 5:00 (including the "championship" game at 8:30 on Sunday night), so I had both afternoons to rest up and eat. A lot of my games were on the MS sized court, but not the last four on Sunday night. If I remember correctly (and at my age, that's not a given) the games paid $12 each, so I made $228 for the 19 games - in cash!

Needless to say, all my partners and I worked "convenience mechanics".

Oh yeah, we got as much free soda pop as we wanted. I must have downed at least 12 bottles of Diet Pepsi that weekend. Good thing the bathrooms were right next to the courts.

BTW - when I got home late on Sunday night, my wife said, "You home already?" :rolleyes:

I worked a summer tournament at the local college that I attended in the summer of 97 or 98. I worked like 7 games on Saturday and 8 on Sunday. These were high school teams and we did the same thing. Hell after the end of day one I was exhausted. By the time we were done on day two I could hardly walk. There was no way I could run or do much during live ball periods, let alone dead ball periods. The most switching we did was during FTs, but that soon stopped as my partner and I (who worked all the games together) were so tired we were just trying to get through the games without getting hurt. I learned that I cannot work that many games in a row and needed a significant break to continue. Never again.

Peace

I have just one word to say to that - meds. ;)

And I needed lots of them that weekend.

Peace

About 20 years ago there was a tourney held to raise money for a car accident victim. I didn't know all the details, just knew it was a one day thing, and was offered 50 bucks to come and call it. How do you say no to something like this? It was a friend of a friend thing, but I agreed. It started at 9 a.m. We had 5 minute halftimes, 5 minutes between games, and a 30 minute break at noon. The rest of the time, we were playing. It ended around 10 p.m. They were so grateful they gave me 80 bucks instead of 50.

No claims about positioning, hustle, or anything else.

I did have a pulse at the end.

Being The True Professional That You Are ...
 

I assume that you switched, and moved to the proper reporting area, on every single foul, for the entire thirteen hours. And I also assume that you never inbounded the ball across the lane (I don't do the blue font thing).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2148/...1dbdc1dacf.jpg

Don't remember all the details, but I do remember that it felt like my shoes were filled with live coals.

did another 2 on/1 off last saturday. got there at 730a and left at 1045p. oh, it sucked. 16 min halves. stopped clock. no running clock for pt spreads. scorers table at one end of the court instead of half court. wannabe, legends in their own mind coaches. had a cold (still have it) and forgot my summer shoes at home - had to wear regular seasons pair - feet killin' me. basically, superman never made it out of the phone booth. :) i did hustle, but, it was difficult to say the least.

thanks for indulging me and my rant.

Then don't take so many games. Quality suffers once capacity has been exceeded.

Did you learn that in sex ed class? ;)

I think the situation would have been much better had a. I not awaken with the sore throat thing goin' on, b. had not forgotten my running shoes and c. oh never mind. :rolleyes:

You're missing the point. If you're going to whine about working so many games, then don't work so many games. You have a choice - to give your best effort for 3 or 4 games, or to give a half-a$$ed effort for 8. No one wants to hear you whining about it, regardless.

I'm not whining about working 8 games, I'm whining cuz I screwed up and forgot my comfortable shoes erg my feet hurt, my sore throat is worse, (and there was a goofy head coach that was a real treat).

Thanks to everyone that let me vent a little (excpet Mr. Serious Smitty).

But you're not whining... :rolleyes:

Oh, yes. I am def whining. There's no doubt about it. :)

that's some cheap whine, padgett. :D

I am 58 years old and this thread is just too dang long to keep the attention of a bald old geezy like me, :p.

MTD, Sr.

NOW who is whinning?!??!:eek:

Jud:

I was being sarcastic. Geez!

MTD, Sr.


P.S.: I really am a 58 year old bald old geezer, :D.

It's domestic. Actually, a lot of whining is domestic. Just ask my wife. :D

Now look who is whinning about being called a whiner!!! :p

I know you were, but apparently the use of blue font to indicate sarcasm has been banned on this board! Perhaps we should nominate a new color like PLUM!

When I lived in the Middle East several of my Jewish friends introduced me to their favorite whine "IwannagotoMiami" Ok so maybe you had to be there!

"Miami - the land that time remembered." - Colin Mochrie :D