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amusedofficial Sat May 15, 2010 06:59am

spurned rules changes
 
. Some of the rejected rule change proposals rejected by the committee:

-- A whole mess of them dealing with uniforms. Most involve imaginary lines and horizontal planes. Since they didn't pass, I didn't read them. Uniform rules make my head hurt, since somehow I think it's all about manufacturer's logos.

-- Changing closely guarded to three feet.

-- Eliminating closely guarded while dribbling.

-- 4-12-7 When there is player control and the ball is being contested by members of opposing teams, while the ball and player are on the floor ONLY the player in control or a player of the same team may request timeout.

-- ART. 2 . . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. Either foot may be the pivot when the other foot touches in a step. When a foot is lifted off the floor the other shall be the pivot.

-- Playing the game in 18-minute halves by state association adoption?

-- Playing the game in 16-minute halves by state association adoption?

-- Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds. Delete from 10-3-2

-- Allow state adoption of shot clock. Since it was rejected, discussion of elimination of ten second count or closely guarded in states with a shot clock were moot. (a completely inane proposal, since any state that wants a shot clock can just do it anyway)

-- Proposals for six minute quarters below ninth grade, eight minutes for teams with ninth graders

The survey revealed that the two-whistle mechanic change that put the calling official as table-side trail was given favorable rating by 92 percent of coaches and only 59 percent of officials. What a shock, Coach likes being able to jabber at a friendly nearby calling official during foul shots

bob jenkins Sat May 15, 2010 10:18am

Interesting. Where did you get this information? I'd like to read the original, if available.

Nevadaref Sun May 16, 2010 09:03pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 676978)
Interesting. Where did you get this information? I'd like to read the original, if available.

Read this document, Bob.

http://www.miaa.net/NFHS-Basketball-Minutes-2009.pdf

It contains the actual text of all rules changes which were considered. This is helpful as we now know how the coming changes are actually written.

Nevadaref Sun May 16, 2010 09:06pm

Important equipment change!!!
 
NOTE that knee braces no longer need to be padded!

"Knee and ankle braces which are unaltered from the manufacturer’s original design/production are permitted and do not require any additional padding/covering."

(approved as an editorial change)

bainsey Sun May 16, 2010 10:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 676966)
-- 4-12-7 When there is player control and the ball is being contested by members of opposing teams, while the ball and player are on the floor ONLY the player in control or a player of the same team may request timeout.

-- Allow state adoption of shot clock.

-- Proposals for six minute quarters below ninth grade, eight minutes for teams with ninth graders

Regarding the first one quoted here, is this another way of saying a coach can't call time out under the circumstances? As for the other two, state's are already allowed shot clock adoption (seven states use it, two for girls only), and the quarter times are already as listed. What did I miss?

Nevadaref Mon May 17, 2010 12:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 677147)
As for the other two, state's are already allowed shot clock adoption (seven states use it, two for girls only), and the quarter times are already as listed. What did I miss?

You're overlooking that you are factually incorrect.

The NFHS currently has eight sanctioned state association adoptions. They are listed on page 65 of the Rules Book. The shot clock is NOT one of them.

Therefore, any state which elects to employ a shot clock does so against the wishes of the NFHS and hence forfeits its right to have a representative sit on the national rules committee or to submit rule change requests.

bainsey Mon May 17, 2010 01:19pm

Very well. So, do the seven states that have a shot clock (Oregon and Maryland, girls only; Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, North Dakota, and California, both genders) have their respective basketball rule books? Or, do they pick-and-choose certain NFHS rules as they see fit?

Adam Mon May 17, 2010 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 677246)
Very well. So, do the seven states that have a shot clock (Oregon and Maryland, girls only; Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, North Dakota, and California, both genders) have their respective basketball rule books? Or, do they pick-and-choose certain NFHS rules as they see fit?

I don't think your list is all-inclusive. Doesn't WA use the shot clock? There may be others as well.

As far as I know, they do what most states do with regard to the coaching box, utilize the NFHS book and issue specific exceptions.

SCalScoreKeeper Mon May 17, 2010 02:24pm

We use the NFHS rulebook with appropriate modifications for California-

1600. GIRLS MODIFICATION
The National Federation Basketball Rules shall be modified for girls basketball as follows:
A. Utilization of 30-second shot clock.
B. Utilization of midcourt line.
C. No 10-second rule in backcourt.
D. Utilization of five-second count for holding the ball only.

1601. BOYS MODIFICATION
The National Federation Basketball Rules shall be modified for boys basketball as follows:
A. Utilization of a 35-second shot clock.

1602. UNIFORMS
The National Federation boys and girls uniform rules shall be waived to allow for the wearing of a shirt with diagonal or tailed lettering at the non-varsity level.

1607. MERCY RULE
When at the conclusion of the third quarter, or any point thereafter, if there is a point differential of 40 or
more points, a
running clock shall be instituted for the remainder of the game, regardless of the score. This applies to all
levels of play.
(ApprovedMay 2004 Federated Council)

sseltser Mon May 17, 2010 02:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677254)
I don't think your list is all-inclusive. Doesn't WA use the shot clock? There may be others as well.

As far as I know, they do what most states do with regard to the coaching box, utilize the NFHS book and issue specific exceptions.

This is correct. In New York, NFHS rules are used for only boys basketball. Our exceptions to the NFHS set are the shot clock, timeouts (4 - 60/game, 1 - 30/half), and a few others.

Similarly, girls baskeball uses NCAAW rules, with their own set of exceptions (4 - 8 minute periods being the most notable).

BillyMac Mon May 17, 2010 07:25pm

The Good Old Days ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 677263)
Utilization of midcourt line.

Is this the line, at the twenty-eight foot hash mark, that separates the forecourt from the midcourt? How is it "utilized"?

bainsey Mon May 17, 2010 10:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677254)
I don't think your list is all-inclusive. Doesn't WA use the shot clock? There may be others as well.

Based on the research I did on the high school shot clock three years ago, those are the seven states I had listed. If there are others, someone please speak up.

Nevadaref Mon May 17, 2010 10:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 677299)
Based on the research I did on the high school shot clock three years ago, those are the seven states I had listed. If there are others, someone please speak up.

As Snaqs mentions WA has put in a shot clock for both boys and girls.

Camron Rust Tue May 18, 2010 04:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 677246)
Very well. So, do the seven states that have a shot clock (Oregon and Maryland, girls only; Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, North Dakota, and California, both genders) have their respective basketball rule books? Or, do they pick-and-choose certain NFHS rules as they see fit?

Oregon does not and has never had a shot clock for either boys or girls.

Nevadaref Tue May 18, 2010 07:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 677307)
Oregon does not and has never had a shot clock for either boys or girls.

I thought that too, Camron, when I read his post and believe that he meant to write Washington in that location, since the shot clock for girls in that state preceded the adoption of one for the boys.

However, since I wasn't certain if I was the one who was mixing up the those two states, I didn't mention it and left the correcting to someone such as yourself from the Portland area. I know that we have a number of people on this site from that area and was sure that we'd get a clarification soon.


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