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Adam Wed May 12, 2010 10:56am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 676533)
Stupid question...I assume the infraction is still signaled?

Not a stupid question.
Yes, it's still signaled, I didn't address my hand signals, which still include the numbers on the jersey and the infraction.

Welpe Wed May 12, 2010 11:14am

Interesting. What is the rationale for not verbalizing the infraction? Giving somebody one less thing to argue about?

Adam Wed May 12, 2010 11:19am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 676544)
Interesting. What is the rationale for not verbalizing the infraction? Giving somebody one less thing to argue about?

Yep.

grunewar Wed May 12, 2010 11:27am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 676544)
Interesting. What is the rationale for not verbalizing the infraction? Giving somebody one less thing to argue about?

Yep. I've been taught - "you can't quote silence." In the case of reporting, less talk is better.

"Red, 24" (insert signal) "two"

Jay R Wed May 12, 2010 11:39am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 676512)
Funny how various regions do things differently! Out here "Foul is on" and "contact" are frowned upon.

This reminded me of an official in our association who's signals and reporting style seems to be different than the rest of us.

I was asked a few years ago to work with him on his mechanics. It was felt that he had good judgement but he just didn't look the part. His main problem was his less than fit look and his sloppy mechanics. His signals were never sharp and we tried to help him but he has not changed one bit. Thus he could probably working a higher level if it weren't for his mechanics.

Here's how he reports an "illegal use of the hands" foul. "I've got a foul on Blue 12, that's Blue 12. Hits. Two shots". Around here we don't verbalize the foul and the few that do never say "hits".

bainsey Wed May 12, 2010 11:39am

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 676536)
I forgot to ask. How would you report "twenty-four" in binary? :eek:

One finger, one finger, clenched fist, clenched fist, clenched fist.

Screw it. I'm sticking with base ten (or base six, in this case).

grunewar Wed May 12, 2010 11:43am

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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 676551)
This reminded me of an official in our association who's signals and reporting style seems to be different than the rest of us.

Speaking of "old school" (the terminlogy, not the person), we had a guy the other night not only bird-dog on a foul, but as he reported to the table, he pointed to the bench of the player the foul was on as the first mechanic/visual aid of his procedure......

tref Wed May 12, 2010 11:57am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 676554)
Speaking of "old school" (the terminlogy, not the person), we had a guy the other night not only bird-dog on a foul, but as he reported to the table, he pointed to the bench of the player the foul was on as the first mechanic/visual aid of his procedure......

I've seen that as well! Usually from the older -errr- more experienced officials...
I'm guessing that's how it used to be done at one time?

Mark Padgett Wed May 12, 2010 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 676554)
Speaking of "old school" (the terminlogy, not the person), we had a guy the other night not only bird-dog on a foul, but as he reported to the table, he pointed to the bench of the player the foul was on as the first mechanic/visual aid of his procedure......

I work a lot of rec games with a guy who does that (pointing to the bench, not bird dogging - and he uses his entire hand to point, not just one finger). He also wears a collared shirt and cuffed pants with a belt. He's a pretty good official, though.

grunewar Wed May 12, 2010 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 676556)
I'm guessing that's how it used to be done at one time?

So, I've been told. Heard it hasn't been around for "quite a while." Maybe Sr., Bob, Billy or one of our other more "senior" Forum Members can tell us about how long ago......

grunewar Wed May 12, 2010 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 676560)
I work a lot of rec games with a guy who does that (pointing to the bench, not bird dogging - and he uses his entire hand to point, not just one finger). He also wears a collared shirt and cuffed pants with a belt. He's a pretty good official, though.

Yepperdoodle, that thar would be the mechanic!

Judtech Wed May 12, 2010 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 676556)
I've seen that as well! Usually from the older -errr- more experienced officials...
I'm guessing that's how it used to be done at one time?

I'm sure Jurassic could chime in and let everyone know what it was like "back in the day". ;)I m just glad we got rid of the zipper and butterfly collared shirts!!

APG Wed May 12, 2010 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 676560)
I work a lot of rec games with a guy who does that (pointing to the bench, not bird dogging - and he uses his entire hand to point, not just one finger).

The only time, in my short career, where I've used this mechanic was when I was working a game at a deaf school where the person working the book was deaf. In fact, they looked at me weird when I didn't do it the first couple of times! Hahaha :p

Mark Padgett Wed May 12, 2010 01:34pm

I think this weekend at spring league, I'm going to report the fouls in pig-latin.

"U-blay, entytway orfay, ootay otshay."

Maybe I'll signal the number with my toes, too. It won't take me too long to remove, then put back on, my shoes and socks each time.

Of course, if there's a hot mom at the table, I can just hope there's a foul on number 1 or 11. I can signal that a completely different way! :eek:

OK - I'm waiting for the remark which has her saying, "Huh? We don't have a number 1/2."

MathReferee Wed May 12, 2010 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 676571)
Of course, if there's a hot mom at the table, I can just hope there's a foul on number 1 or 11. I can signal that a completely different way! :eek:

OK - I'm waiting for the remark which has her saying, "Huh? We don't have a number 1/2."

Yup...he went there...


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