Block, Charge or No Call

[Indianaref]

Block, charge or no call

Block.Charge 7 on Yahoo! Video

I'm alright with the official's no call.

[bob jenkins]

No call. B1 got there late, but it didn't affect the shot. A1 ended on the floor not because of B1 but because of B2 and that was either after or just as the ball ecame dead.

[Da Official]

This is a bang bang play and 2 players hit the floor....In my association we are expected to make a call one way or the other. Watching the video the first time I was satisfied with either a block or a charge call....but after replaying it 5 or 6 times I am confident the shooter jumped as the defender moved forward to set up....and therefore I have a block: basket and 1 shot.

It is also my opinion the shooter would have fallen without B2 crashing into him and finishing him off. Also I am assuming NFHS rules.

JMO

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Da Official

In my association we are expected to make a call one way or the other.

I've been told, "When bodies are on the ground you have to call something."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I've been told, "When bodies are on the ground you have to call something."

What I've been told is, "if you don't call something, you'd better be able to explain why."

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What I've been told is, "if you don't call something, you'd better be able to explain why."

Then I haven't mastered it yet.

When being evaluated, my case is usually the block charge. A1 is going down the lane, B1 anticipates the charge, flops or is demonstrative with contact, and I pass. Hence the "you gotta call something."

And, while I know these are ya HTBT type situations, their advice to me is usually, call the block and tell B1 to either take the charge or knock off the acting (as he only has x# of fouls left).

I haven't mastered this yet.....but, I have another opportunity tonight. Hoorah!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No call. B1 got there late, but it didn't affect the shot. A1 ended on the floor not because of B1 but because of B2 and that was either after or just as the ball ecame dead.

I couldn't say it any better. I agree.

[Gargil]

No call. B1 flopped and this caused B2 to trip and fall into A1 after the basket. Incidental contact. It looked like A1 carries the ball as he made his move to drive to the basket.

[bainsey]

The lead has a much better angle on this than the camera.

B2 had LGP until he nudged forward before contact. It can't be a charge, so it's either a block or incidental. If you're not sure, go with incidental.

[jallen]

looks like most of the contact is caused by the primary defender and not the guy moving in late where there was minimal if any contact
great no call, ref is right there, great sight line, another good no call

[Tio]

Wow! This play is not a no-call. You have a train wreck with 3 players hitting the floor. The crew must have an opinion block or charge, namely the lead (the secondary defender came from).

Based on the film, the play is a blocking foul. The defender did not have legal guarding position when the shooter began his habitual shooting motion.

But more importantly, we need to agree that this play needs a whistle. No-calls on this play are part of the reason "rough play" has been a point of emphasis the past 10 years.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

But more importantly, we need to agree that this play needs a whistle. No-calls on this play are part of the reason "rough play" has been a point of emphasis the past 10 years.

This play wasn't "rough play," it was clumsy play. There's a difference.

[jallen]

it is very easy to call this play and probably not have any arguments but to get to the next level in refereeing (as it appears the refs in film have done) is to figure what needs to be called and what can be let go. The secondary defender was late and did cause some contact, but in the end great no call. this ref has reached the next level. He understands the game and does not need the borderline calls to be made in his game. GREAT NO CALL

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Tio

But more importantly, we need to agree that this play needs a whistle. No-calls on this play are part of the reason "rough play" has been a point of emphasis the past 10 years.

Disagree.

All contact is not illegal contact, no matter how violent the contact may be. You can have a train-wreck with legal, incidental contact; and that includes a trainwreck involving a ballhandler.

The POE's are issued because illegal contact is not being called.

[PCKen]

Looks like a no call but it's pretty close. I think the crowd will be mad either way not that crowds should influence decision