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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 673172)

You have just received a citation from the Spelling Police.

Yeah, it didn't look right when I wrote it. Not my first, won't be my last.

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 673172)

You have just received a citation from the Spelling Police.

The Spelling Police could contract with Brad to monitor this board. It would be a full time job with lots of overtime. If he paid them by the correction, he'd go broke quickly.

I would be a full time job for them all by myself.:D

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 673152)

I guess I'm at a loss to think of how you could see definitively there's no contact on the ball or hand if you can't tell whether there's contact on the arm. If you see definitively that there's contact on the forearm and it affects the shot, by all means get it; but you're not guessing. If anything, that calls for a patient whistle.

Are you saying you're sure there was contact, but need to determine if it was illegal? If that's the case, your angle really has nothing to do with it.

I know what he's trying to say.

It is very possible that an official can definitively see that there was no contact in one spot because there was nothing near that spot (hand/ball) but you could see that the defender's hand was near the elbow but couldn't directly tell if they hit it or not---another player blocked your view of the elbow at the last moment. However, you could, to a great accuracy, tell whether there was contact or not from the effects of the possible hit....the arm twitching sideways in an unnatural way or the ball leaving the hand in an abnormal way.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 673186)

Well, since you put it that way....

:)

Jordan for the win...Swish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! take that Jazz:D

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 673151)

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about this play (and similar ones) where from the lead you can see no contact on the ball or hand but questionable contact on the forearm... When you see someone who shoots well have a shot come up 5 feet short, its a good indicator of illegal contact.

Defensive challenges on these plays can be hard to officiate. Often, the official with primary coverage is in bad position or caught up in another aspect of the play...feet, body contact, etc. The contact to affect a jump shot is usually subtle. as Bradford pointed out, Kevin Durant doesn't airball that shot without contact... However, we can't guess or assume the player missed because of a foul.

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Originally Posted by Tio (Post 673255)

However, we can't guess or assume the player missed because of a foul.

Speak for yourself, I guess every time I blow the whistle.