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Coach K
Straight out of a non-official's mouth....
"Krzyzewski cries about referees' calls every...single...play." Annoyingly arrogant Duke, coach :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Rick Morrissey I can see every.... single..... non-Dook fan sitting there nodding their head up and down while reading this. :D |
And, unfortunately, there is enough ABS to put AGWAY out of business.
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Ow, my neck hurts. I think I nodded too quickly as I was reading.
But, I don't hate Duke for making me feel that way. |
Hating Duke makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Maybe that's the tacos I had for breakfast this morning. |
I Vote the Author an Honorary Forum Member!
Some of my favorite lines:
I wish I were on an airplane so I'd have a barf bag. Calipari leaves a trail of ooze behind him wherever he goes. Duke annoys the crud out of me. Krzyzewski cries about referees' calls every ... single ... play. It's as if he's being physically violated. if the Mountaineers should win, I might even have a skip in my step. I like this guy's style. Thanks for posting it Jurassic! |
My favorite:
Anyone with even the slightest amount of self-awareness would say: ''As much as I'm flattered by these e-mails and as much as I agree with their content, I'm going to look like a Hall of Fame narcissist if I allow the Webmaster to put them on my site. So I won't.'' |
Morrissey is hands down the best columnist in Chicago and like his fellow Irish counterpart, Rick Reilly, can turn a phrase. Always a good read in the windy city no matter what the topic.
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I hate myself for this but I'm rooting for Duke over West Virginia. If Duke wins then I win my bracket pool at work. I feel entirely too filthy over this situation. I hope Jurassic won't be too mad at me. :eek:
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You could open for him. Padgett and Piper....................yeah!:) |
I love Duke and I love coach K. However, I would draw the line at posting stories about how Coach K affected my life. Granted, we have met several times, but affecting my life.....he is down a ways on my list.
Sure he gets a little 'rat faced' at some calls, so what? Is it his fault or the officials fault for not drawing a line of acceptable behavior. Since most people on this board feel that coaches are nothing more then little kids, you can't blame them for acting that way if no one says they can't. Do you blame the kid for being spoiled or the parents for spoiling them? Of course, I also am a Bob Knight fan, who mentored Coach K, so at least I come by it honestly. So I will go put on my 'game face' and get ready for the abuse. Just remember, if Duke was horrible, no one would care!!!! |
As for all the antics routinely pulled by Coach K and countless other, I say it's like all the ignored traveling, the powers that be must want it that way, because it definitely could be reduced.
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The problem is, like hs ball in some areas, coaches have too much say in regular season assignments; particularly coaches of Krewshewooskie's "stature."
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Sounds to me like a North Carolina fan is rather bitter that their rival is in the final four...and the heels are in the NIT.
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Nobody is saying that he isn't a good coach, maybe even a great one. In college, recruiting can have a much greater impact on the ol' win/loss record than sheer coaching acumen(prime example being Calipari). And Dook does attract the top-level recruits. But a whole bunch of people (hundreds of millions according to the latest poll) are saying that K's about as far as you can get from being the paragon of sportsmanship that his adoring fans try to portray him as being. When it comes to trying to influence officials...and we're officials....the man is just another whiny, complaining, crybaby hemmorhoid....and he's also worse than most(98.72% according to the latest poll) of the whiny, complaining, crybaby hemmorhoids in his vocation. |
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I found my poll right under my Census Form in a pile of mail on my counter this morning and sent it in. So, I expect this number to jump .01%. :D |
To name drop, one of the times I was in Coach K's presence he had a great line. During a mixer he was relating a story about a mother of a player he was recruiting. She had heard that he was a good catholic boy and wanted to make sure that it was an accurate description. When he said he attended mass and all the other things good Catholics do, she was so excited that she said I can't wait to see him in heaven. He then went on to tell her he would be easy to recognize b/c he would be the person with no left hand. When she asked why he said because it is the hand he used to cover his mouth when he mumbles all of those words that good Catholics don't use!! It was more funny with his visual, but unfortunately, and this was on CLEAR display against Maryland, he has forgotten to cover his mouth when uttering those words good Catholics don't say. Hey, maybe I SHOULD write something on his web page!!:D
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I do not - and never have - appreciated Coach K's sideline antics and attitude during the game. But the guy has proven that he can coach - and he wins by recruiting players that fit his program and his school. The thing that amazes me the most is that he has been at the same school for over 30 years! In this day and age, that is almost enough to make my jaw drop.
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I think it says something about the respect that is afforded officials and officiating that someone who treats them as badly as he does (or Knight, or whoever) is still considered to be this shining example of sportsmanship and a roll model. It's not like there is now, or ever has been, and real negative repercussions off the court for coaches who act in this manner. If anything, they are praised for their "passion" or for "sticking up for their kids".
Hell, plenty of fans would argue that he is a great example not in spite of his antics, but that his antics are perfectly reasonable given how officials ought to be treated, seeing as they screw everything up so often... |
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As to me performing at a comedy club, my stand-up routine is geared more to the middle school crowd - just ask my grandkids. |
They Said It
From the 5 April Sports Illustrated Section as above:
Duke men's basketball Coach K and lifelong Cubs fan on establishing standards for the Blue Devils: "Just judge people for who they are right now. We're not the Yankees. We're not, thank goodness, the Cubs." Now, doesn't that make it all better? :p |
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http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0402...dystar_200.jpg Updated: April 2, 2010, 9:59 PM ET
Coach K not amused by illustration
</cite> <!-- end mod-article-title --> <!-- begin story body --> INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indianapolis Star newspaper has apologized to Duke University after some of Friday's editions included an illustration of coach Mike Krzyzewski with horns and a target drawn on his head. The illustration on the front of the sports section accompanied a story titled "Despising Duke" that detailed how some fans strongly dislike the Blue Devils' program. Jim Lefko, the Star's senior editor/sports, said the paper pulled the illustration "when we realized it didn't meet our standards." "It was an illustration that should have come together earlier than it did," Lefko said. He estimated the drawing appeared in fewer than 30,000 copies of the edition distributed statewide. He said he apologized Friday morning to Duke officials, who said they hadn't yet seen the illustration. But when Krzyzewski took the podium Friday afternoon, he had, and he was not amused. "First thing I thought, 'That can't be," Krzyzewski said. "How could a newspaper do that? That's like somebody doodled. Actually, I thought I looked better. But it was kind of juvenile. Not kind of. Just juvenile. And my seven grandkids didn't enjoy looking at it. 'It's not Poppy.' "It is what it is. It's very juvenile," he continued. "We have great kids who go to school, who graduate. If we're going to be despised or hated by anybody because we go to school and we want to win, you know what, that's your problem. Then you have a problem, because we're going to go to school and we're going to try to win. You don't like it? Keep drawing pictures. Just keep drawing pictures. Try to do them a little bit better than that, though." Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press |
I dunno. To me, it looks just like him.
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What a martyr, taking this kind of abuse because he defends "going to school" and "trying to win". Poor guy.
Why do people hate schoolgoing win-trying people like poor Coach K? |
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Ridiculous statement, Berkut. Nobody is questioning K's abilities as a coach. A whole bunch of people, and I'm one of them, detest the show that he puts on when he pays lip service to sportsmanship though. Hell, one of his players stomped on another player in an NCAA playoff game and he didn't really do a damn thing about it. He continually tries to influence officials with his constant whining and is a complete potty-mouth also while doing so. He's a sanctimonius phoney and a whiny hemorrhoid. Want to know why I call him a "hemmorhoid"? Simple. From an official's standpoint, he's on their azz every minute that they're out there. |
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JR, I think Berkut was mocking Dukie K by quoting him. |
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FF to NCAA, when John Adams puts the same official on Dukieski's first round game against 16th seeded Drake University, who came out of nowhere to win their conference tourney with a 6-23 record. Official calls a charge against Dukieski's star point guard, wiping off a basket. Dukieski goes crazy because he's been getting away with it all year, and official calls a T with 10 seconds left. Dukieski's team loses by 1. |
So, Snaqs, you given this whole Coach K thing much thought?
Bwahahaha! :D Wow! |
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Am I right in assuming that any and all of the guys who 'hate' DUKE (and Coach Krzyzewski) would turn back any assignments for DUKE games ?
I realize that there will be responses such as 'you just do your job' or 'you don't think about that', 'professionalism comes into play', etc., but if you went to the trouble of joining this 'hate fest' then that bias will always be just below the surface, waiting to erupt. To take it a step further, wouldn't the honorable thing to do in any case where you didn't 'respect' a coach to call off working any of their games. In my years of officiating we could blacklist any coach and / or school; I permanently blacklisted one coach (acquaintance from HS ... never got along) and one HS (sodium lights where I just couldn't see right) for over 10 years. Easier to avoid trouble rather than confront it. OFD |
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Your posts from last year are still on the record, OldDookFanboyDan. You haven't changed much. http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...villanova.html Go find a Dook fanboy site and be sure to tell all your brethren about us mean old weferees. You'll feel so much better if you do that. You ain't an official and you never have been, so quit trying to masquerade as one. You're just your average whiny ol' Dook fanboy. Go! Shoo! Shoo, shoo.... And don't bother to come back next year either. PS--- FD! |
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In fact, I was a member of the same IAABO board as one of the officials from Saturday's semis ... officiated many a game with him. You seem to think you're so damn smart, figure out which one it was. The one thing that I'm not is a hypocrite like some of you seem to be. P.S. FU! OFD |
Shoo, fanboy, shoo.......
Lah me.....and 96.74% of 'em are all ex-officials. :rolleyes: |
While doing my daily grind on the elliptical, I heard that the owners of the Nets are prepared to offer the rat $12 million - $15 million a year to be coach / GM.
For that kind of stupid money, even King Dook should listen. $75 million over 5 years isn't exactly chump change. |
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I figured that that would be the response from some moronic loser with no life except an online message board (17,965 posts). I'd put my ratings record up against yours any day, fool. OFD |
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I can't say I've turned back any games because I thought one of the coaches was a classless boor, but I suppose it could happen. Don't imagine that if I was ever good enough that it would come up, I would have any more trouble officiating one of his games than any of the other coaches out there who lack simple courtesy or a sense of integrity when it comes to sportsmanship. Why would you argue that Coach K should get special consideration from officials, as opposed to any other coach? The only reason he is being discussed is because his reputation as Mr Perfect Stand Up Paragon of Virtue is in such start contrast to his actual behavior. |
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Sure seems like *very* special consideration, in fact. |
Chances are, I'd only get to work one of his games anyway.
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Show me where I said that "officials who have not drank [sic] the Duke kool-aid should not officiate Duke games". What I asked (and was very clear about) was if the officials who went out of their way to post their 'hate' or dislike for Coach K on this message board would turn games back in. Period. Nowhere did I say that they had to like him or his program. If someone is so willing to bash a coach and 'prove' that they 'hate' him, why would they even want to work his games. Revenge, or a 'I'll show him' attitude? OFD |
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Second, what you're reading here is nothing more than a bunch of officials tired of hearing how great a person he is. He may well be a good person off the court, but the way he acts on the court negates (or at least mitigates) all that. If you think we truly "hate" Coach K, then well, I can't help you. Maybe you just need a humor upgrade. What we're engaging in here is called "hyperbole." Note: I'm not speaking for Jurassic Referee here, as he pretty much hates everyone; but he hates us all equally. Although I do wonder if Jurassic's hatred isn't something like Dante's Hell. |
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We had pre-season ratings and then they were updated three (3) times during the course of each season. OFD |
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I was just giving him the same respect he gave me. I could have given the board number I was on (actually I'm still carried as 'inactive' there) and contacts' names but nobody else seems to offer that info here. OFD |
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'Mitigate' comes from a Latin root meaning to soften or lessen the harshness of something bad or painful. So one can't mitigate something good. In another thread, you used the term 'fluxuation', employing an archaic spelling that I actually like. Takes me back to Hume and reading of causal "connexions" and such... We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming... :) |
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2. "fluctuation." (I knew better as I was typing. My sentence was in a state of flux up until I sent it and I was too lazy to fix it.) 3. Shut up. |
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So the answer is - they would want to work his games for the same reason all officials want to work any games - because they love what they do and enjoy it, despite having to often deal with coaches who have very poor concepts of dignity and sportsmanship, like Coach K. Certainly no decent official is going to allow himself to be run off by the lowest common denominator of coaches and their antics. |
In the interest of ultimate fairness, it seems like the problem you all have with K is not necessarily with K himself. Lots of coaches do what he does on the sidelines. Almost all do. So that alone doesn't fuel all this.
What does is the perception the MEDIA gives. The media has two positions on Duke that are in stark contrast. One is the Dickie V/ESPN cooperate office talk that hypes Duke to increase revenue. The other is local reporters in every city Duke goes to/ESPN hired analysts who used to be involved in college basketball and hence hate Duke. These people will take any chance they get to tell you how either Duke is lucky, Duke has it easy, Duke gets the calls, Duke isn't that good, etc. etc. etc. Alot of the hate from the fans on Duke comes from reading that 2nd group like gospel, and another portion comes to it in rejection of the first. Neither of which is an interpretation on Duke the school, K the coach, his program, or any of the kids. In most of the cases I've read on here, its despising the media for making Duke out to be something that you all believe it not to be. If it were just about Duke, you could find another, at least, 100 programs that engages in similar behavior and about another 200 D1 coaches. |
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The problem that we have with K is his actions towards officials. He is the absolute worst D1 coach extant about whining and b!tching at every single damn call or no-call that he thinks should go in his favor. Yes, there are some other coaches that also spend more of their time trying to influence officials than coaching, but he is he worst by far of that bunch. And his actions are exacaberated by the holier-than-thou stance that his devoted fans like to portray him with. His complete lack of concern about sportsmanship when it comes to the officials is also obvious to US officials. I don't think that any of us gives a damn what the media thinks about him. We evalute him from an officials' standpoint only. And from an officials' stanpoint, he's a whiny, constantly complaining hemmorhoid who is always trying to influence our calls. It's that freaking simple! Tuss, you're a baseball umpire. Think Leo Durocher back in the day. Billy Martin at his finest. Think Bobby Cox now. Hall of Fame managers but also whiny, b!tching hemorrhoids. |
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2. I said I liked it! 3. Tu quoque. |
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But isn't that a little off-topic? :confused: |
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I wrote out a pretty detailed response JR, but I won't get preachy on you!
I will disclose that I root for Duke, have familial ties to Duke and to the basketball program under K. I will not pretend to know everything that goes on there, but I do understand most sides of the anti-Duke issue, including the program's side of it. I could tell stories about alot of good K has done with this world. I'm not going to defend him for "sticking up for his kids" or "a drive to succeed" when he gets on officials, because I think that is crap. But that same attitude serves a coach well in all other facets of coaching. It does produce a negative on the officiating crew on any given night. It isn't desirable, and it doesn't have to be that way. But unfortunately with K, it is. For me, the good far outweighs the bad. I could tell countless good stories, some well-known, some not. For me, the good outweighs the bad because I choose to evaluate him not from an official's standpoint but at overall face value. Overall, I think he's been good for the university, good for the kids in his program and their families, and good for the community in Durham. Its not to discredit your opinion JR, you choose to evaluate him with the criteria which is important to you, the officiating portion. That's fine, and I respect that :cool: as long its not done with blind dislike like it is for many others in regard to all things Duke. |
In my opinion, people should be judged by how they treat people who they consider "lesser" than they are. How do you treat the kid behind the counter at McDonald's? How do you treat the waiter at Chili's? How do you treat the customer service rep at your cable company after you've been on hold for an hour? How do you treat the cleaning lady at the hotel, or the gate rep at the airport when your flight has been cancelled?
How do you treat the pimple-faced classmate when everyone else is stealing his pencils and shoving him into the lockers? How do you treat the officials when everyone else is dumping on them? That's why I was so impressed by Boeheim that morning; he delayed answering a question about his team to tell Gottlieb those unnamed coaches were full of crap. Before that point, Gottlieb really came off sympathetic towards that view; only afterwards did he clarify that it was the opinion of some coaches (unnamed sources). He could have been quiet, he could have played along; but he spoke up. I'm sure it's a character flaw for a man who's otherwise an upstanding person. From a basketball perspective, though, I don't like to see that sort of court-side behavior rewarded with a win. It sends the wrong lesson to kids and coaches we deal with at the lower levels. |
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And, just fyi, I dislike Duke just as much as I dislike the Yankees. For essentially the same reasons - too successful over time. I don't know if I would put the Steinbrenner family in the same category as Coach K, but each has their own annoying aspects. So, when the baseball thread starts, don't be one of them annoying Yankee apologist fans. :p Also, aren't these very similar arguments used as to why people either like or dislike Bob Knight? All the good he's done/graduation rates/great teacher/etc. vs. bully/intimidator/anger management issues? Wonder if it's simple coincidence? |
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Seriously, you are correct in thinking that my opinion definitely does come from an officiating standpoint. I have never met or talked with Krzyzewski, so it is really impossible for me to form any kind of rational opinion about him as a person outside of his sideline behavior. A good analogy might be to compare Coach K with Earl Weaver. Weaver was recognized as a great manager and is rightfully in the Beisbol Hall of Fame. However, he was universally detested by ALL of the umpires that had to deal with him during games. And those umpires detested Weaver for the exact same reasons that basketball officials detest K. Weaver whined, b!tched and complained constantly, always looking for that little edge. Krzyzewski is the basketball equivalent. They're both whiny l'il hemorrhoids from an officiating standpoint. Hey, Krzyzewski might be the re-incarnation of St. Theresa, except I can't see St. Theresa b!tching if the miracles aren't going her way. |
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I was kinda running out of adjectives so I just stuck the last one in to see if anyone was paying attention. |
Trying to remember if I've ever written anything that was accused of being both concise and verbose.
As for "menopausal," STFU! |
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The success of a team doesn't bother me. It's the individuals associated with a team that piss me off more. I don't mind the Dallas Cowboys that much but Jerry Jones is a consumate dickhead. Steinbrenner in his prime was just as embarrassing to us Yankee fans as he was aggravating to the Yankee haters. And if I didn't have a mute button, I don't think that I'd watch too many sporting events on ESPN either. Their talking heads are beyond being merely irritable. And then there's Geraldo Rivera, Donald Trump, Yoko Ono, you, etc. The list is long.:D |
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I cannot stand Duke for one simple reason (well, really two, but if we ignore my officials ire with how Coach K acts...):
They are very successful, and their fans feel that makes them special, so it is fun to not like them. That is all there is to it - being a sports fan (or anti-fan in this case) is about having fun, and having someone to not like is fun. It isn't very fun to pain Southwest Boise State School of Agriculture as the Evil Empire though - you need someone prominent and successful for that, and Duke fits the bill perfectly. The fact that in addition to being very successful they have this sanctinmonious, "aren't we special, isn't Coach K SUCH A GREAT MAN" cult thing going just makes it that much more fun to despise them. They are very much the Yankees. I used to enjoy "hating" the Yankees as well, but my 10 year old decided two years ago he was a Yankees fan, so of course I had to switch from hating them to cheering for them, which if also fun. Nice ballpark they have. I am an Arizona fan by circumstance (that is where I went to school) so I hate ASU, and I despise Duke for getting all the attention, vastly more than they deserve, of course, and for their braindead fans that think their precious Coach K walks on water. He doesn't - but Lute Olson did. Lets just hope Jake doesn't get it into his head to start rooting for the Blue Devils... |
I have a real conflict when it comes to Duke. As a lot of you have said, it's hard not to have animosity toward Coach Howevertheheckyoupronouncehisname because of the way he treats officials, but I have to root for one of his players, Kyle Singler. He's a great kid, a really good (and clean) player and he's from here in Oregon.
I know he's a clean player because his dad stated he makes Kyle take at least 5 showers every day. |
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On the other side, I don't mind watching the UConn women. Even with the supposed lack of widespread talent in women's basketball, it is still an amazing feat to see their current run. While I can certainly understand some people rooting for their winning streak to finally end, I'm not one of them. I just hope I live long enough for people to start hating the Cubs because they're too successful. |
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C ompletely U seless B y S eptember |
Brings A Smile To My Face Every Time ...
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I knew his name was bound to come up here. |
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1 Down & 161 to go !!!
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Feel free to disappear again now until next March when we launch our annual "Coach K is a jerk" thread. See you then.:) |
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Just win, baby! |
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But K was still outclassed by a guy who was born about the same time K was hired at Duke. The Butler coach did his job - he coached. Saw him TALKING to the officials several times, but never saw him jump up and scream at them. Saw K do that several times last night. Class. |
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It is rather interesting that the Duke fans come along and post the shot of K cutting down the net - it is *perfectly* exemplifies the attitude that those who like to dislike Duke find so obnoxious about them.
It is like they are trying to reinforce the Duke stereotype or something. |
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Yankees, Cowboys, Notre Dame FB (at one time) and Dookies -- gotta love to hate 'em. And to stick to the officiating theme necessary, which of these doesn't excessively whine about calls while winning? Just askin'. |
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Cubs 3 Braves 0 after 1/2 inning of play Final score Braves 16 Cubs 5 Zambrano chased after 1.1 IP and 6 ER http://www.cubssuckclub.com/gallery/...ries/class.jpg LOL |
I have been vocal for my disdain for Coach K, Roy Williams and Dean Smith for years. But, now Coach K is in an elite group and I would say he did it minus any hanky panky. I will give him credit, but I must remember two key things:
1. That was one of the worst coaching jobs ever by Rick Pitino. Thomas Hill had fouled out, Bobby Hurley couldn't hit the side of a barn until he was a senior and I'm not sure if Grant Hill every hit a long-range jumper in college. Uh, I wonder who they are going to pass the ball to? 2. Laetner (sp?) should have been thrown out when he stomped on that player's chest. Extra: how in the world does that Duke team beat a UNLV team that is one of the best in history a year after getting embarrassed by essentially the same team one year earlier? I started off saying I give him credit huh? :D |
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Have you SEEN every other D1 official in the country? I have seen a few that IMO are worse than Coach K. Having said that I think the Butler coach is a class act. Of course I am sure the Duke haters on this board will think that Coach K was being sarcastic an insincere in his praise of Butler's coach and team. |
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