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Adam Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:54pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 670859)
I've got nothing. Shooter was fading to the side and the contact was marginal and didn't really affect the shot or the landing.

We keep using the word "marginal" in here, but as Jurassic alluded to, the proper term is "incidental." Whether the contact is marginal or severe is often unrelated to whether it's a foul.

Adam Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:57pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 670777)
Should we accept this belief that the defense can stop the clock anytime they want, just because they're behind? Should we reward the defense with breaking the rules, just because they trail on the scoreboard?

Some people think not to call this foul is "unfair." How can it be unfair to the defensive players, when they're the ones committing the infraction?

My philosophy is slightly different, and depends on how the offense is playing it. In this situation, if the offense has resigned themselves to getting fouled, I'll call the first contact quickly. If, however, they are trying to play through contact and are able to do so, make the defense commit an actual foul.

just another ref Sat Mar 27, 2010 01:17am

The coach was on one of the morning shows this morning. If I heard correctly, the plan was for the defender to "bearhug" the dribbler. Apparently no concern of the intentional call? He went on to say how the first guy missed the foul, and the second came in "a little too late." He complimented the offensive player for getting the shot up under the circumstances.

Larks Sat Mar 27, 2010 07:16am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 670832)
If that exact play had happened in the first half, I don't think we would be talking about a "missed" call.

Totally agree. This play is a case study for both coaches and refs. I also submit this play is tough because it has the crew spread, somewhat stacked (both behind and across) and on the run. If it's not obvious, I would argue 95% of the top 96 would have passed. I think I would have as well.

Raymond Sat Mar 27, 2010 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 670894)
... Whether the contact is marginal or severe is often unrelated to whether it's a foul.

That depends on what supervisor you are working for or what camp you are attending.

Adam Sun Mar 28, 2010 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 670962)
That depends on what supervisor you are working for or what camp you are attending.

Good point, I forgot the two most important words with regard to my post, "by rule."


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