Please, your comments about the match Yugoslavia - New Zealand

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Most of the people who post on this site are officials.Quite a few of us don't watch the NBA much anymore because of the show-boating,hot-dogging,trash-talking,taunting,crying to officials and general crap that is a main portion of the pro game now.Maybe it's because Yugoslavia has so many pro players on it's team,but you are really starting to resemble the NBA teams in that regard.I've watched a few of your games in the tournament,and it has been embarrassing to watch your players moan,cry,and b*tch so much to the officials.You have been the worst team in the tournament,in that regard.I respect much more a team that can lose with dignity,than one who wins while acting in an unsportsmanlike manner.

It's awful tough to respect the Vlade Divac's of the world.

That's my opinion,whether you like it or not.

No angry
 

Thank you for your opinion. I really respect it.
Well, you are right. It is some kind of manner that our players always have something to tell to the officials. That's our problem, and we have to stop with that. But I would'n describe it as "moaning, crying ...". What, you want to say that there is no foul when one of USA players blasted off our Vlade Divac out of playground in the end of match? But as officials said, there is no foul. That makes Divac angry, but we never cried to officials. Just to be sure, try to find some of Yugosav sites where somebody wrote one bad word for the officials.
When we talk about loser's dignity, I have to write something: What USA player does when they lost from Yugoslavia? They run to the shower, everybody but Reggie Miller. There was no compliments ... They just run away. When Divac asked American players for towel, they didn't gave it. Well, they were team friends until "yesterday".
That situation don't makes me angry, because I know how they feel. This message is not for bulling. I know there are much difference in playing rules between USA and Europe. I hope they can find the compromise, and we will play under same rules in next matches.
Thank you again for your comment. As I said, I really appreciate it.

And now ladies and gentleman ...
 

YUGOSLAVIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for congratulations! See u in Athens!
It was very nice talking to you.

I have reffed a lot of BB , both FIBA and NCAA over the years and I don't believe the Yugoslavia NBA players learned to whine and moan in Europe , rather they likely picked up that tactic in the NBA.
The final was excellent but it is too bad the lead official swallowed his whistle on the final play in regulation time. Argentina should have won in regulation but they also should have protected their lead better and not allowed Yugoslavia back in.
The next Olympics should be very interesting!!!
Pistol

Peter,it was definitely an uncalled foul.However,to give the guy the benefit of the doubt,I think he got straight-lined on the play and didn't have a real good look at it.Trying to see that cross-court contact at the end of a break from the lead position can be awful tough sometimes.I think that the missed call was more the result of using 2 officials only,rather than the official gagging on the play.The play at this level is high caliber,fast and physical,and definitely needs 3 officials.A third whistle on the floor would have certainly helped in this case.JMO.

2 things:
I think BANE did not get the jist of the post about Yugoslav players. I go back to my post re: Divac's behavior at the end of the US game. Why not T? Further, I don't think Jurassic was saying are players are better behaved then the Yugo's. He was pointing out that BOTH are bad, so it is difficult to watch and respect either. Although Reggie and Elton stuck around, so they get de facto respect!

Secondly, why aren't they using a 3 man crew? I find it odd that at the HS level, many associations are using 3 man crews, yet the top world tournament is using only 2. I just find that VERY odd.

JMO
Yes , you could be right on the straight line analysis. I would like to see it again. I believe FIBA will be going to 3 man in the near future.
Also, on Chuck's post re: scored basket- I should have read the play more closely. In that case I agree with Eli . The most important thing is they must get it right.

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Vlade has a huge reputation in the NBA of flopping and dramatizing any contact he receives. You have assume that when he goes flying, he's acting. The way he act 5'6", 160lb. guards send him to the 3rd row when they tap him on the shoulder. The officials know that and he loses the benefit of the doubt. So, when there is really contact, he doesn't get the call because the offical just thinks he's acting again. He does it to himself.

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When we talk about loser's dignity, I have to write something: What USA player does when they lost from Yugoslavia? They run to the shower, everybody but Reggie Miller. There was no compliments ... They just run away.

True enough. We're sending some of our worst and it shows. That behavior is a disgrace. I can't wait til be send real basketball players and good people again.

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When Divac asked American players for towel, they didn't gave it. Well, they were team friends until "yesterday".

I don't know so much about that. He's a trash talking, whining, flop king. May not really have "friends", just teammates.

Many opened questions ...
 

I will try to answer to all of you mates, without quoting:
<b>For Peter:</b> Crying and moaning to the officials is manner of every country's players, whether you want to accept or not. I don' think that our players learned it in NBA. Moning is expression of mental unstable players, that we have got, and you have got. Maybe they can learn to crying to the officials, but I think the first term is domestic upbringing of players.
I have seen last seconds of Yugoslavia - Argentina match copule of time. Anyhow, there is no foul in regular part of match. It was foul about two seconds after the match was over. Argentina is great team. I would like if there was two gold medal. Be sure I would give one to Argentina.
<b>For Jurastic Referre:</b>
I agree, they must have 3 ref's. I hope it will be for next matches.
<b>For Camron Rust:</b> Vlade Divac is not our best player. He have got very big expirience, and when we need to, he appeased our players. And against USA, he played very good. I am glad if you agree for USA players dignity after the match with YU. That's the fact.

Today, our gold player came home. You can't believe what sensational reception they have in Belgrade. That is our 5th gold medal, and second for 4 years. We are again actual World and European champions. My people are celebrateing now. And I do. So, what can I do: I will congratulate myslef.
See you in Athens, that will be very interesting. I hope FIBA will change some rules, like you said. And also, I hope all players will stop moaning to the officials.

Best regards from winner's country!!!

Bane,congratulations to you,your countrymen and team for winning the Worlds Basketball Championship.

Thank you
 

Thank you very much JR.

I was at the Yugoslavia/Argentina game and it was amazing. I was sitting in the heart of the rowdy Yugoslavian cheer section (had a blast, too). The Yugo fans cheered the entire game. They also boo'd (and cursed) loudly when Argentina had the ball, and it seemed to frustrate those players. I do not agree with this type of disrespect, but I do think it played a big part in this game. The Yugo fans were in reality "the sixth man". The fans for Yugo were more involved than any US fan--and they out-numbered us by far. Hell, the only reason my husband and I went to any of the games at all was because I had free tickets due to volunteering (one day, I was the mascot--Bounce. It was fun.)

Even though the US literally sent their "junior varsity" team, I don't know how well they would have done with stronger players against Yugoslavia. I don't think it would have been a "run-a-way" by any means for the USA, but I don't think they would have finished sixth, either. What a shame that the US did a poor job of representing themselves in this international competition.

just my 2 cents...
Diana

Oh, yeah....I thought it was odd that it was officated by only two refs....what's up with that?

It sounds like a lot of fun. Not just the part about being the mascot, but the whole event. It's too bad that it was not marketed better to draw a better crowd. I heard that the building was mostly empty for most of the games. Is that what you saw?

How did you get the mascot gig? And did they have a "routine" that they wanted you to do? Or were you just supposed to be "wacky" for 2 hours? I'm just curious.

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the US literally sent their "junior varsity" team

I hate to be Mr. Grammar, but I think you mean that the US figuratively sent its junior varsity. The closest thing the US has for a literal JV international team is the Junior Olympic team. But that's not really what you meant, is it? ;)

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I thought it was odd that it was officated by only two refs....what's up with that?

As was discussed in another thread, if FIBA is going to accept high-level pro players for international competition, they need to use a 3-whistle system. Two officials just miss too much, and it's not their fault. They just can't pick up everything.

Aside from being a nit-picking nitwit, I'm usually a pretty decent guy. Glad to see you on the board, Diana :)

Chuck

As was discussed in another thread, if FIBA is going to accept high-level pro players for international competition, they need to use a 3-whistle system. Two officials just miss too much, and it's not their fault. They just can't pick up everything.[/B][/QUOTE]I watched the Lithuania/USA game to-day from the Womens World Championship in China.Two things kinda stood out to me:
1)The US women threw more passes in the first quarter than the US men seemed to throw in a complete game.They also worked their butts off on defense.They scored 105 points and gave up 48.Coincidence?
2)The game was fast,up-and-down,and both teams tried to break on every play.The two officials(one male and one female)doing the game both seemed to be good officials and did a pretty good job,but the things that seemed to be missed were due to the lack of a third official out there,IMO.High quality womens basketball has out-grown the 2-official system,too.

Chuck

I was a volunteer for the World Police and Fire Olympics in Indy last year (responded to a commercial on TV), so I was on a mailing list for the World Basketball event, too. I hope to do some NCAA basketball events in Indy in the near future (I think some Big Ten stuff and Final Four will be held here). As far as being "Bounce" went, I just had to walk around and "high-five" kids, get my picture taken, and be goofy in general. I signed up to be Bounce's helper, and the lady who was Bounce was getting frustrated with the head-gear. Since she had been Bounce many times already, she let me be Bounce for around 30-45 minutes. The costume was really hot, but it was fun. I'd do it again in a heart-beat.

Yes, I did mean figuratively (re: US junior varstiy team)....The US team and fans did not impress me in any way at all. I agree that it was poorly marketed. I heard there were complaints about high ticket prices as well.

I attended some non-US games as a volunteer. If I recall, it was Argentina/Brazil and Puerto Rico/New Zealand. Both games had very few fans/people in the stands--but they were all very spirited fans. New Zealand players and fans did a warrior dance before the game--way cool. Puerto Rico had a large rhythym section--one woman had a frying pan and a big spoon! All of the countries--except the US--had fans wearing their country flags as capes and waved them wildly during the games. I think the volunteers out-numbered the fans at many games. I heard from other volunteers that the US games had poor attendance as well.

I also volunteered at a "kid's day" free basketball camp and fun zone. The camp was full of kids, and they all learned simple drills. There were college coaches and high school coaches helping with the drills. The 'free throw guy' was there (can't think of his name)--he made 194 out of 200 free throws while talking the entire time. The "fun zone" was nicely set up with different stations--around the world shooting, free throw challenge, lowered baskets for kids to "dunk", a mini ball pit, a dribble race around cones--free to the public, very family friendly. I was there for 4 hours and saw less than 20 kids. Again, poor marketing? Really hard to say. It was just too bad that more people didn't take advantage of these events.

I agree--two officials was definately not enough--especially for the medal games. I don't have too much experience as a basketball official, but I if it were me out there I'd want three officials on the floor.

By the way, after watching the YU game, I now have a better understanding of how soccer riots happen. If YU would have lost the gold medal, I was totally expecting a riot in Indy. Instead, after YU won, they took over down-town (peacefully, of course) and marched with pride through our streets. My hubby made the comment "If the US would have won, do you think the fans would have marched in the streets?". I didn't think that they would have.

Diana