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Freddy Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:03pm

True Jump Ball...Again!
 
Third "true jump ball" of the season tonight!
Tip to start the game went to two guys who tied the ball up between themselves.
Crew nailed it, sending those two guys to do a second real jump ball.
Visiting coach remarked, "Not many of you guys would get that one right. Good job."
Third time this season. Almost felt like the old days once again!
Any for you?

APG Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:05pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 666404)
Third "true jump ball" of the season tonight!
Tip to start the game went to two guys who tied the ball up between themselves.
Crew nailed it, sending those two guys to do a second real jump ball.
Visiting coach remarked, "Not many of you guys would get that one right. Good job."
Third time this season. Almost felt like the old days once again!
Any for you?

THIRD TIME...this season?! I've never personally had it happen in a game and never seen it happen either.

Freddy Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:11pm

Yep, Lightning Struck 3X This Year
 
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 666406)
THIRD TIME...this season?! I've never personally had it happen in a game and never seen it happen either.

Yep, third time this year.
First was in an 8B tourney, where the coaches really didn't catch on to what had just occurred, therefore didn't comment on it. :confused:
Second was a BJV, where the veteran home coach just couldn't let it go that we had it wrong, and that the centers should be sent to the circle to rejump. :eek:
Third, tonite, BV, where both coaches understood--though the fans seemed to have been somewhat at a loss for how to react. :)
I don't recall having it before--at least not since we went to the AP arrow and shortened MS games by a good half-hour.

fiasco Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:19pm

Happened to me earlier this year. My partner and both coaches thought I was bonkers for sending the shortest kid on one team and the tallest kid on the other team to go jump.

Adam Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:58pm

I had it once, a few years ago. We kicked it.

referee99 Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:11am

Wait, were we partners?
 
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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 666411)
Happened to me earlier this year. My partner and both coaches thought I was bonkers for sending the shortest kid on one team and the tallest kid on the other team to go jump.

Had this same scenario a week ago.
short kid got a kick out of it.

Rich Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:14am

I got to toss a second jump tonight. Don't tell Padgett. :rolleyes:

just another ref Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:45am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 666404)
Third "true jump ball" of the season tonight!
Tip to start the game went to two guys who tied the ball up between themselves.
Crew nailed it, sending those two guys to do a second real jump ball.
Visiting coach remarked, "Not many of you guys would get that one right. Good job." Third time this season. Almost felt like the old days once again!
Any for you?

Don't care much for this comment.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 05, 2010 06:29am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 666404)
Visiting coach remarked, "Not many of you guys would get that one right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 666429)
Don't care much for this comment.

Unless it has merit, then you have to accept it at face value.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 666419)
I had it once, a few years ago. We kicked it.

No offense, Snaqs, you simply provided the example.

just another ref Fri Mar 05, 2010 08:46am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 666404)
"Not many of you guys would get that one right. Good job."

Maybe not. But if we didn't, not many of you coaches would know.

Adam Fri Mar 05, 2010 09:52am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 666433)
No offense, Snaqs, you simply provided the example.

None taken. The fact is, it's not a widely known rule. Mine was a middle school girls game and before I realized what was happening, my partner had the original jumpers lined up. I was new to the area and not interested at that point in making a scene for that issue.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 666444)
Maybe not. But if we didn't, not many of you coaches would know.

And this is a great point, too. But rather than "not many," I'd say "even fewer."

shutupneff Fri Mar 05, 2010 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 666425)
I got to toss a second jump tonight. Don't tell Padgett. :rolleyes:

I had one of these to start an overtime this last year. DTP*.












*Don't Tell Padgett

Zoochy Fri Mar 05, 2010 05:14pm

I am finished officiating High School games this year, so I am watching a lot of post season play. I saw a crew misapply the 2nd Jump Ball rule. They sent the original Jumpers to rejump.
Also I saw another misapplication during a jump ball. Jumper A1 taps the ball. The ball contacts the ground. Jumper B1 secures control of the ball. Official calls a violation on B1 for securing control of the ball. :eek: I bet no one but me knew that was not a violation. The Jump ball restriction ends when the ball touches the floor. There are other ways the jumpball restrictions end. I'll let you look in the rule book. They did set the AP arrow correctly after handing the ball to Team A for the throw-in.
I know misapplying the jump ball is not going to decide the outcome of the game, but it irks me when the 'superior' officials misapply rules.

justacoach Fri Mar 05, 2010 05:55pm

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 666573)
I saw a crew misapply the 2nd Jump Ball rule. They sent the original Jumpers to rejump.

Was this FED or NCAA? Makes a difference!!

fullor30 Fri Mar 05, 2010 06:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 666404)
Third "true jump ball" of the season tonight!
Tip to start the game went to two guys who tied the ball up between themselves.
Crew nailed it, sending those two guys to do a second real jump ball.
Visiting coach remarked, "Not many of you guys would get that one right. Good job."
Third time this season. Almost felt like the old days once again!
Any for you?


Had my first one this season about two days after I either read it in the casebook or in a thread here. If my shirt had buttons, they would have popped off.

deecee Fri Mar 05, 2010 06:48pm

10 years and not 1 of these. then again im not the quickest to blow the whistle for a jump ball.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 05, 2010 08:12pm

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 666573)
I am finished officiating High School games this year, so I am watching a lot of post season play. I saw a crew misapply the 2nd Jump Ball rule. They sent the original Jumpers to rejump.

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 666574)
Was this FED or NCAA? Makes a difference!!

:rolleyes:

BillyMac Fri Mar 05, 2010 09:37pm

I'll Take Basketball for $100, Alex ...
 
Answer: Fossils.
Question: What are jump balls?

justacoach Fri Mar 05, 2010 09:41pm

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I am finished officiating High School games this year, so I am watching a lot of post season play. I saw a crew misapply the 2nd Jump Ball rule. They sent the original Jumpers to rejump.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> Originally Posted by justacoach http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
Was this FED or NCAA? Makes a difference!!
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 666589)
:rolleyes:

I suggest you are being unduly influenced by Zoochy's reference to High School games which is totally irrelevant.
I stand on my earlier question as to whether NFHS or NCAA rules should be applied to the sitch he mentioned.
Correct yet diametrically opposite outcomes are possible and they have nothing to do with the level at which Zoochy works.

I would have thought the Jesuits had trained you better.:)

Zoochy Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:06am

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 666606)
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> Originally Posted by Zoochy http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
I am finished officiating High School games this year, so I am watching a lot of post season play. I saw a crew misapply the 2nd Jump Ball rule. They sent the original Jumpers to rejump.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> Originally Posted by justacoach http://forum.officiating.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
Was this FED or NCAA? Makes a difference!!
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I suggest you are being unduly influenced by Zoochy's reference to High School games which is totally irrelevant.
I stand on my earlier question as to whether NFHS or NCAA rules should be applied to the sitch he mentioned.
Correct yet diametrically opposite outcomes are possible and they have nothing to do with the level at which Zoochy works.

I would have thought the Jesuits had trained you better.:)

So what NCAA conference started post season play before Thursday (3/4)?
The answer is... High School. So justacoach... what is the NCAA ruling?

eyezen Sat Mar 06, 2010 01:27am

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 666631)
So what NCAA conference started post season play before Thursday (3/4)?
The answer is... High School. So justacoach... what is the NCAA ruling?

Not justacoach but the answer is the ensueing jump ball can be between any two designated jumpers.

Nevadaref Sat Mar 06, 2010 03:08am

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 666606)
I suggest you are being unduly influenced by Zoochy's reference to High School games which is totally irrelevant.

I would have thought the Jesuits had trained you better.:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 666631)
So what NCAA conference started post season play before Thursday (3/4)?
The answer is... High School. So justacoach... what is the NCAA ruling?

No undue influence here.
Seems the Jesuits did just fine with my context training. ;)

justacoach Sat Mar 06, 2010 09:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 666631)
So what NCAA conference started post season play before Thursday (3/4)?
The answer is... High School. So justacoach... what is the NCAA ruling?

I watched an Appalachian Athletic Conference (NAIA DII) tournament game on Feb 25 as one of my protégées was working the game. Had they experienced Zoochy's sitch, they would have been correct in allowing the 2 original jumpers to jump a second time. <script>playV2('en/UK/df/dfsksgsjsy33d7nld7gk')</script><object style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 3px;" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,0,0" height="18" width="28">
</object>I am certain this conference operates under NCAA rules.

justacoach Sat Mar 06, 2010 09:58am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 666636)
No undue influence here.
Seems the Jesuits did just fine with my context training. ;)

But no one did a better job than Rebbe Zeitman of cultivating my discernment of red herrings (and belly lox and bagels, for that matter!):p:)

BillyMac Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:57am

Upon Further Review ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 666603)
I'll Take Basketball for $100, Alex ...
Answer: Fossils.
Question: What are jump balls?

After a protest from one of the contestants, the fact checkers at Jeopardy have ruled that there is one additional correct "question": Who is Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

Upward ref Sat Mar 06, 2010 07:50pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 666655)
After a protest from one of the contestants, the fact checkers at Jeopardy have ruled that there is one additional correct "question": Who is Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

A. a red herring ?
B. T rex's older brother ?
C. A wild goose chase ? :p


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