Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 666209)

If it was, it wasn't a tap, in terms that are most familiar to me.

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 666222)

Well, I wasn't using the rulebook definition of a tap. Sorry for the sloppy language.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 666209)

If it was, it wasn't a tap, in terms that are most familiar to me.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 666230)

Using rule book semantics...

1) a "tap" is a try for goal. There is no player control on a "tap", by rule.
2) a "tip" is simply touching the ball. There is no player control on a tip, by rule.
You can control the direction of both a "tip" and a "tap" without establishing player control at the same time.

If the ball comes to rest in a player's hand(s), then player control was established.

Is that what you're getting at, JAR?



Sooooo, the question in the Duke game was whether the ball came to rest in the Duke player's hand(s) before he directed it into the backcourt. I saw it and imo the ball never came to rest. I thought that it was tipped into the backcourt after a missed shot. Ergo, no backcourt violation. Blown call imo. It happens.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 666230)

Using rule book semantics...

1) a "tap" is a try for goal. There is no player control on a "tap", by rule.
2) a "tip" is simply touching the ball. There is no player control on a tip, by rule.
You can control the direction of both a "tip" and a "tap" without establishing player control at the same time.

If the ball comes to rest in a player's hand(s), then player control was established.

Is that what you're getting at, JAR?



Sooooo, the question in the Duke game was whether the ball came to rest in the Duke player's hand(s) before he directed it into the backcourt. I saw it and imo he didn't. I thought that it was tipped into the backcourt after a missed shot. Ergo, no backcourt violation. Blown call imo. It happens.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 666231)

There is (or was) some language in the rules/cae book to the effect that "there is no team control when the ball is batted away from other players in an attempt to secure a rebound."

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 666236)

I think the worst part of this is that Coach Krewshawoosky was right.

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 666237)

Even a blind squirrel...

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 666237)

Vasquez took over with a minute to play, and his last shot was remarkable.

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 666240)

Those kids should have been in bed....

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 666181)

I thought Coach K was going to lose it when, in a brief stretch, his team was called for a BC violation incorrectly and then a travel incorrectly! Not sure whether it was the same official, but boy was Mike hot! The F-bombs were flying left and right!

The BC: long rebound in Duke's FC, MD player then Duke player touches it in the FC (no team control), Duke player gets control in the BC. Tweet! As I saw it develop, I was thinking, "nope, not a BC." Guess I was wrong!

The travel: Duke in their FC running their halfcourt offense. A1 holds the ball with his back to the basket, A2 runs around to take the ball. A2 gets the ball and immediately releases it for a dribble. Tweet! I have no earthly idea what the official saw -- saw it on replay too.

Ask Coach K why the Dookies lost. ;)

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 666248)

Was distracted and did not see BC call, but my 14yr old did and said "dad, no team control!" Talk about a proud papa!

And the F-bombs from a nice Catholic boy from the northwest side of Chicago and Weber high school........oh my!

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 666252)

I really wish they'd clean that up. There are families that sit close to the benches that shouldn't have to hear that kind of language.

Yes, I'm serious.

Originally Posted by jurassic referee (Post 666230)

using rule book semantics...

1) a "tap" is a try for goal. There is no player control on a "tap", by rule.
2) a "tip" is simply touching the ball. There is no player control on a tip, by rule.
You can control the direction of both a "tip" and a "tap" without establishing player control at the same time.

If the ball comes to rest in a player's hand(s), then player control was established.

Is that what you're getting at, jar?



Sooooo, the question in the duke game was whether the ball came to rest in the duke player's hand(s) before he directed it into the backcourt. I saw it and imo the ball never came to rest. I thought that it was tipped into the backcourt after a missed shot. Ergo, no backcourt violation. Blown call imo. It happens.