Another dumb commentator comment
 

Wake Forest - Florida State game on ESPN2. A Wake player takes a shot from along the endline near the corner and it hits the side of the backboard. Play by play announcer (don't know who it was) says the shot hit the "basket support". Gee - I guess the officials missed an OOB call then.

A dumb commentator comment. So what else is new? This happened in the first five minutes of the game. I wonder how many more he'll chalk up before the end of the contest?

Sounds like Mike Patrick

Ah Yes....
 

I have the pleasure of watching the otherACC game matching Coach Mike "the Whiner" K vs Gary "I could blow my cork at any time" Williams.

There was a "non-call" against Md in the first half where Williams was so far out onto the floor you would have thought he was either a player or they had called a TO - neither was the case and of course Coach K is really working the officials....

I am sendig them a copy of the NCAA Rule book along with the CCA Manuel for Mr. Lavin and company. Should I send them an appiciation to a camp as well?

I thought Coach K was going to lose it when, in a brief stretch, his team was called for a BC violation incorrectly and then a travel incorrectly! Not sure whether it was the same official, but boy was Mike hot! The F-bombs were flying left and right!

The BC: long rebound in Duke's FC, MD player then Duke player touches it in the FC (no team control), Duke player gets control in the BC. Tweet! As I saw it develop, I was thinking, "nope, not a BC." Guess I was wrong!

The travel: Duke in their FC running their halfcourt offense. A1 holds the ball with his back to the basket, A2 runs around to take the ball. A2 gets the ball and immediately releases it for a dribble. Tweet! I have no earthly idea what the official saw -- saw it on replay too.

Ask Coach K why the Dookies lost. ;)

One part you left out from this play. One of Duke's big men tapped the rebound towards the backcourt. The calling official may have felt that this was a controlled tap.

I didn't see that. My recollection is that the ball bounced high off the back of the rim toward the backcourt, untouched.

Your recollection is more charitable to the officials. ;)

I had one of these earlier this season and there was a tap (controlled or uncontrolled, that was the question) that ended in the backcourt.

I determined it was not a controlled tap, no-called it, and the home coach was incredulous that it wasn't a violation. At the next timeout, my partner told me it was a great no-call, that it certainly didn't fall under player control (it was off a rebounded shot), but I still wasn't really convinced myself. But sometimes you make a determination and that's that -- it's so close you just have to go with your instinct on the play.

In watching the game it looked like it was tipped out by the big man on the rebound. Sheyer then tipped it in the front court and went and got it in the backcourt. I felt last to tip first to touch is a backcourt violation.

Last to tip, first to touch is a violation if team control has been established. There is no team control on a shot.

If team control is established. If the "big man"'s tip and Scheyer's tip weren't controlled, then team control was not established and it's no violation.

What is a controlled tap?

Has player control been established? That's the only question that you can really ask.

If it was, it wasn't a tap, in terms that are most familiar to me.

Player control is established by holding or dribbling the ball; unless the "tap" constituted the start of a dribble, I don't see how that can work.

Well, I wasn't using the rulebook definition of a tap. Sorry for the sloppy language.

Well, it's better than sloppy discourse.

Using rule book semantics...

1) a "tap" is a try for goal. There is no player control on a "tap", by rule.
2) a "tip" is simply touching the ball. There is no player control on a tip, by rule.
You can control the direction of both a "tip" and a "tap" without establishing player control at the same time.

If the ball comes to rest in a player's hand(s), then player control was established.

Is that what you're getting at, JAR?



Sooooo, the question in the Duke game was whether the ball came to rest in the Duke player's hand(s) before he directed it into the backcourt. I saw it and imo the ball never came to rest. I thought that it was tipped into the backcourt after a missed shot. Ergo, no backcourt violation. Blown call imo. It happens.

There is (or was) some language in the rules/cae book to the effect that "there is no team control when the ball is batted away from other players in an attempt to secure a rebound."

I was watching also...it was definitely tipped....though a directional tip, he most definitely never established control. And the 2nd Duke player attempted to grab the ball but most definitely didn't establish control either. So, in the end, a brain fart by the Final Four official who made the call. Makes me feel better about my brain farts. :D

That's case book play 4.15COMMENT. That covers several situations where the ball is "tipped".

Bottom line is that it's always a straight judgment call whether the ball comes to rest, thus starting player and team control.

I think the worst part of this is that Coach Krewshawoosky was right.

Even a blind squirrel...

It was a great game. Vasquez took over with a minute to play, and his last shot was remarkable.

Leave Chuck out of this discussion.

Here's the shot.

Those kids should have been in bed....

Did that kid yell "Go Twerps" at the end? :D

Was distracted and did not see BC call, but my 14yr old did and said "dad, no team control!" Talk about a proud papa!

And the F-bombs from a nice Catholic boy from the northwest side of Chicago and Weber high school........oh my!

I really wish they'd clean that up. There are families that sit close to the benches that shouldn't have to hear that kind of language.

Yes, I'm serious.

Well, it's not like every D1 official ignores a black-letter NCAA rule, is it? :rolleyes:

+1

Traveling.

LOL, My Wife said "He traveled". I said yes he ended his dribble with his right foot in contact with the floor, picked it up, stepped, put it down, then jumped to shoot. She said "Well I can't explain it but I knew it when I saw it" :p

She's qualified to begin coaching immediately.
:D

"It's got to be something."

Not sure which foot was which, but as I recall his pivot was just inside the top of the key, and he wound up taking the shot halfway down the lane.

Wow, seriously?

The entire Maryland student body is screaming F#CK YOU, SCHEYER and you're worried about one little coach on the sidelines?

That's rich. No pun intended.

I must have missed it; where did he say the other stuff was ok?

You'd think a 63 year old man would be a better example. I'd be all for the schools clearing out student sections for vulgar chants, too.

Yeah those stupid commentators..., a little while later I heard one of the commentators say that a time out had been called by one of the teams, when clearly it was a "TV time out." OMG what a total freakin idiot! How could he possibly make such a mundane mistake? The games would be soooooooo much more interesting to view if former referee's were providing the commentary. These former coach guys just run there mouths, blah, blah, blah, far too much to say.

I know that referee's would do well because of all the facinating referee pod casts in itunes, not to mention the shelf after shelf of interesting books written by officials at Barnes & Noble.

Well... there actually is that one written by Donahey(sp) about CHEATING! :eek:

>>sarcasm toggle off<<

:p

Present coachs too....

>>no sarcasm intended<<

I've followed Md basketball for many, many yrs. The student body has been classless there for a long time. Heck, the band can't even play one song there as the crowd turns it into a gutterel (sp) chant.

Gary Williams even pleaded with them one game several yrs ago to show a little class - uh, not so much. A sad commentary to where our society is going and the difference between fun and yuk!

Of course, this conversation could be said about other sports too......

Other fun commentator comments from this week. I watched most of the Tennessee/Arkansas game...and yes, I cheer for Tennessee. Bruce Pearl goes nuts early in the second half over something worthless and gets T'd up. And rightly so. Tennessee goes on an 8-2 run and the commentators keep mentioning that the T was a great motivator for Tennessee. One of them even says that not only are the players responding to the T, so are the officials. They are now making the calls Bruce wanted called!:confused: Do they really think that is how it works?

Speaking of stuff fans do, quite a few years ago there was a UCLA-USC game on TV. One of the UCLA fans was holding a sign that read "FLUSH USED TROJANS". The TV cameras showed it at least a dozen times. I just cracked up each time.

umm, point taken (seat belting self)

Which reminds me, when I seat belt myself, now I gotta sit behind this big @ss air bag.