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kycat1 Fri Feb 26, 2010 01:46pm

3 pts or 2???
 
Player A1 from behind the 3 point arch, throws a hard pass about 6' high into the middle of the lane and it bounces off the head of player B1 up into the air and goes through player A1's basket. 3 or 2 points?

Same play but while ball is in the air after it hits player B1 on the head, the horn sounds to end the quarter. Points? :confused:

Adam Fri Feb 26, 2010 01:53pm

2 points in your first scenario.
No points in your second.

AKOFL Fri Feb 26, 2010 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665085)
2 points in your first scenario.
No points in your second.

Is it different in college? someting in my mind is telling me it is. I need a second opinion before I listen to myself.:p

Adam Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 665086)
Is it different in college? someting in my mind is telling me it is. I need a second opinion before I listen to myself.:p

Which one? The rule is actually a bit ambiguous, IMS. The intent, however, doesn't apply to this situation, otherwise a pass into the post could be tipped in by the defense and count as 3.

As for the 2nd situation, it's easy. Without a try in progress, the ball becomes dead when the horn sounds; and a dead ball going through a basket is meaningless.

AKOFL Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:08pm

The first one is the one I was thinking of. the pass from behind the three point arch which is tiped in. Thanks

tjchamp Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:11pm

I'm thinking he has scored 3 points, at least in the first situation above. 5.2.1 sit C seems to cover this play. It does not indicate it has to be a try. It just says A1 throws the ball from behind the 3-point line.

In his second sit, the official would have to make the judgement that his throw was not a try (see 4-41).

Adam Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:12pm

You might want to try a search on this topic. I know it's been discussed ad naseum.

tjchamp Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665095)
You might want to try a search on this topic. I know it's been discussed ad naseum.

You are right. And here is a link to a thread that did discuss this.http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...head-hoop.html

mutantducky Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:55pm

What on the off the head, there is a foul. A foul away from the ball before the shot goes in. Say A1 shot, B2 fouls A3. Count the basket? Or does the whistle cause the ball to go dead.
Or what if you tip a shot with your head and the ball somehow goes in. short guy takes a shot and tall guy goes to block it and hits off his head and goes into the basket. I would see that counting as a three if behind the line.

Adam Fri Feb 26, 2010 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 665105)
What on the off the head, there is a foul. A foul away from the ball before the shot goes in. Say A1 shot, B2 fouls A3. Count the basket? Or does the whistle cause the ball to go dead.
Or what if you tip a shot with your head and the ball somehow goes in. short guy takes a shot and tall guy goes to block it and hits off his head and goes into the basket. I would see that counting as a three if behind the line.

So many scenarios in such a short post? Try numbering them for us. :)
Hitting with the head is not a legal try or tap, so the ball would become dead on the foul (not the whistle, the foul).

BillyMac Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:56pm

Over The Arch, Nothing But Net ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kycat1 (Post 665081)
Player A1 from behind the 3 point arch.

If a player can make a shot over this arch, he deserves more than just three points.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/96baaceb7143b774

26 Year Gap Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665166)
If a player can make a shot over this arch, he deserves more than just three points.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/96baaceb7143b774

I guess it depends from which side since it is rectangular.


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