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if anyone reads NCPrep-1A basketball message board, i would like your thoughts on the post about the game between Nantahala and Avery in the sectional playoffs on Wed. night. what will be the outcome of this action entitled "Nantahala-Avery Game, craziest thing i have ever seen.

sorry i bothered you....
 

i was wanting information on what the NCHSSA would do if anything. it is not a fan question. i thought this was a forum to ask for information from people that know answers to questions. when refs are being guarded on the court seems like a legitimate question. i was not asking about the score or the call by the refs. sorry to have bothered you.

What exactly happened in the game?:confused:

What happened and what specifically is your question?
 

Maybe if you posted the situation we could be of more assistance. We don't have access to the site you refer and most probably won't go looking for it (although I did Google the score/teams).

according to the story, the head coach and the assistant was ejected from the game. The team has no coach, so they walk off the court. A dad comes out of the stands to sit on the bench and brings the team back in to play, but by that point the refs are gone. one of the refs was guarded during the game. the game is called with two min. left to play. should the refs have stayed or is it against rules for team to finish game with no coach?

Seeing I'm the kinder, gentler JR, here' y'all go.....

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Click on 1A basketball and then click on the Nantahala vs. Avery thread. Warning...typical fanboy nonsense involved.


Actually an interesting situation though....my apologies to beverly100. It is worthy of discussion.

My thanks to the kindler, gentler JR!
 

Wow, face guarding a ref! Who knew? WWMPD? :p

Taking out all the fanboy stuff, it actually was a good read.

I've actually seen one very inexperienced adult ref leave the court crying during a Rec game due to a coaches behavior........I ended up finishing the game for her.

The specific rules about who is allowed to "coach" are state specific.

Once the team leaves, I am out of there.

If they want to finish the game, that's up to the state (I personally wouldn't allow it).

I have no idea why a ref would be "guarded" during the game, or what it has to do with this situation.

Bob - According to the post, at one point the digruntled coach had "one player face guarding the ref for about five possessions straight."

This evokes the old chestnut where the coach directs his best defender to play box-and-one defense everywhere against 'the most dangerous person on the court'.:rolleyes::eek::D

Give me a screen
 

If I was being face guarded in a box and 1, I would signal to my partner to come set a screen to free me up for a "better look";)

Seriously, if it actually happened I cannot believe a coach instructed a player to "guard" an official as if to suggest that his team was playing 5 on 8. An unsporting technical should be immediate.

And after the first possession, the coach would have been in the locker room.

Easy Flagrant T. I might add an unsporting Tech for the player if I was in a bad enough mood.

Agreed. Fire up the T kettle for that one.

I may be wrong, and if I am I have a sneaking suspicion I will find out soon, but at least around here we are not allowed to call a game a forfeit. Officials note the time and verify the score in the book. All forfeits are up to the state league and the schools.
While not having been there I would think it would be pretty obvious that the player was intentionally face guarding an official. I would ask the player for an explaination, tell him it probably is not a good idea, and if he did it again, the player would get a "T". At that point the coach would have a VERY short leash. I can see the coach telling me that HE told the player to guard me, whichwould then be a very nice opportunity to "T" the coach as well and do his best Elvis imitation and "leave the building"!
As for a Box + 1, I am a bigger fan of the Triangle + 2 but to each their own!!

and apparently by the tone of your post.....
 

you would have been in a bad mood..... ;)

That coach just accused you of cheating. If a player is face guarding you, you can guarantee the coach told him to do it; guaranteed, no need to ask. Personally, I'm going flagrant on this. If you want to issue a standard T, fine. But there is no leash any longer, he's either sitting quietly the rest of the game or he's already in the locker room. No 2nd chances on this one.

You should see my next post. :D

They can try to face guard me all they want. They can't stop me, they can only hope to try to contain me. :D

Sounds to me like the coaching staff should be less worried about finishing the game and more worried about keeping their jobs. Any decent school system would send them packing.

Years ago I volunteered and coached 11-13 year olds at the local JCC and we ran a 1-3-1 to great success.

I barely missed my monitor after this! :D

As for the coach and player, they're getting the 2-for-1 special. And coach is done for the night.

So - a team is up by 25 with two minutes to go and the fans of the losing team blame it all on the refs. What else is new? :rolleyes:

Simple matter of math, Mark. Apparently, the coach in question felt that the referee team was worth a triple double. :rolleyes: Thus, the 25 point lead was still less than the 30 spot that the officiating team was worth.:confused:

The player face guarding me would've gotten the fastest technical I've ever given and then I would've probably ended up with two on the bench.

If it's true (stress on IF) that the officials allowed this face-guarding to happen for a long period of time, then I gotta wonder about the caliber of these officials.

I stopped reading when I saw the 15-4 foul complaint.

Doesn't suprise me that the point differential ended up almost 30.

These message boards basically are all the same. The officials deliberately screwed us. Yada, yada, yada.

And on this particular one, I wouldn't believe anything unless it came from the officials involved, their association or the state.

I want to hear some coach complain to me about the score count. Or the travel count. Or the turnover count. Or the three point shot made count. Maybe we should endeavor to make sure they all don't get too lopsided as well.

What is it about fouls that somehow we should expect that they ought to be equal, or that the count of them ought to be something the official cares about?

...a quote from one of the "fans" posting on this link:

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"I think it's about time coaches started making noise about these high school refs. These guys get into this line of work to make a few extra bucks but in reality they play a large part on the kid's college future."

Oh brother....:rolleyes:

Yep!!!

Peace

Even to the point of, "We would have lost the game anyway, but it should have been only by 10. With the bad officiating we lost by 25. It's so unfair!!"

Which probably translates into: "They wouldn't have beat the spread if it weren't for the refs."

(5-4) "The referee shall forfeit the game if a team refuses to play after being instructed to do so by any official. The referee may also forfeit a game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach...repeatedly commits...other acts which make a travesty of the game...."

Seems likely that face-guarding the official is making a travesty of the game, and leaving the court is certainly refusing to play. Forfeit is the no-brainer from my POV.

Being a North Carolina official myself for many years, a state association application was (not sure if it still is) that there had to be a school designated adult coach on the bench. IOW, if the coach and assistant(s) got ran, a parent was not allowed to assume coaching duties, nor was the student manager. This has not been mentioned in recent years, particularly as we have gone to the national test, but I'm guessing it will be front and center in next year's pre-season all-officials clinics.