I'm Lead tableside (then new Trail) Two whistle.
From the end line I see:

B1 bringing the ball to division line. (Trail is following opposite); A1 steals the ball right in front of Coach B. (Could be some contact.)
A1 dribbles right and gets a slight forearm from B1 as she beats B1 (still in front of Coach B). (Could be <u>enough</u> contact. Where's my Center?)
A1 continues down the right and loses ball out-of-bounds off B2. A ball. (Now, I am in front of Coach B)

Coach B: "Did you see that contact?!!!"
"Your girl! I saw your player use a forearm."
Coach B: "No before that?!!!"
"That's not my call from the end line."

I shoulda/coulda said ...what?

Coach B: "Did you see that contact?!!!"
"Your girl! I saw your player use a forearm."
Coach B: "No before that?!!!"
"Nope, I saw nuthin' before that."

"Coach, I didn't have a great look at it from where I was and my partner was right on the play and I trust them." Never say "That's not my call." That makes it seem like you believe the call was wrong but it was not yours to make. Even if you believe the call/no call was horrible you have to avoid that line.

That makes sense

"No I didn't,coach".

Anything else puts you in a "no win" situation.This way there isn't too much further that he can discuss with you now,and you don't really want to discuss this particular play at this particular time with him anyway.Hopefully,he'll just vent for a coupla seconds and move on.

Perfect.

Quote:

Never say "That's not my call."

There's a great story from an NBA ref. I think it was Bevetta, but I'm not sure. When this ref was just coming into the league, he had a similar exchange and told the coach, "Coach, that's not my call." The coach replied, "Then whose is it? The popcorn guy's?!?!"

Chuck

Is this play even remotely close to your area? I'll tell you where C was, with 4 eyes on 2 players, he was covering your @$$es.

If you are watching your area, the exchange with the coach becomes much easier..."I was watching other players."

Eli is right--never utter the word's, "its not my call", unless you want the coach all over you for the rest of your career.

It's pretty easy, at most times, to pick up on action out of your area. Often, your line of sight, which is focused on your primary, will allow some visibility of the rest of the court. And it should. Even when the ball is not in your primary, you should know where it is and what is coming your way.

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If you are watching your area, the exchange with the coach becomes much easier..."I was watching other players." Eli is right--never utter the word's, "its not my call", unless you want the coach all over you for the rest of your career.

I certainly agree. I don't lie to them. If I saw it, I tell them and often add, "Yes, I saw it but didn't have a great view. My partner was right there and would have seen it clearly. I trust them." A recent response to this was "Thanks, at least I got an honest answer" implying they really don't like it when the refs cover it up or play dumb.

Now back to mick's original case. It didn't sound like the trail was really that close to the play. Plus, it's on mick's line, he has to cover that line.

Not that Mick needs me to defend him but if you reread his
post you'll see he was calling a 2 man game, so there was
no C. In this sitch - a quick ball reversal -it's not
uncommon to have 4 eyes on the ball, especially in 2 man.
As L Mick did have sideline responsibility. But I'll have
to ask Mick if there was pressure on B1 bringing the ball
into her front court why were you standing down by the
endline? (Some might ask in a more colorful manner, right Chuck? ;) )

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Eli is right--never utter the word's, "its not my call", unless you want the coach all over you for the rest of your career.

Agree. I have basically 2 responses for this sort of thing:

"Didn't see it."
"From what I saw he got it right."

The one I use depends on the situation & how I feel like answering.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Not that Mick needs me to defend him but if you reread his post you'll see he was calling a 2 man game, so there was no C. In this sitch - a quick ball reversal -it's not uncommon to have 4 eyes on the ball, especially in 2 man. As L Mick did have sideline responsibility. But I'll have to ask Mick if there was pressure on B1 bringing the ball into her front court why were you standing down by the endline? (Some might ask in a more colorful manner, right Chuck? ;) )

I missed the part about the two man game in my haste. My apologies Mick. Please disregard my comments. :o

Lemme ask you this: What the f*** are you doin' down on the f***ing endline without even lookin' at your f***ing partner 94 f***ing feet away?!?! That's dumb!! God, it's hot out here; and my f***ing back is f***ing killin' me.

I seem to remember something like that from camp. . . :rolleyes:

chuck

I have no idea what you're talking about...anyway, hear any good jokes lately?

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Fellas,
I was okay down there, off the endline and parallel with the ball.
I was taking care of eight other players (or maybe all 10) and glanced up court to see wazzup.
The pressure started when B1 crossed the division line.
I had a straight-line look when A1 attacked the ball, but my partner had (should have had) the angle, or not.
By the time A1 got pushed by B1, I had a decent angle, but passed because A1 just kept <s>rollin'</s> dribblin'. ;)
mick

I did not intend to impugn your positioning, mick. I was just offering my recollections of some "instruction" that Dan and I received at camp. Personally, I don't see a whole lot of difference between standing 94 feet from your partner and standing 79 feet from your partner.

Chuck

Chuck,
I heard ya. ;)
I grabbed one break-away shooting foul call from about 75', but I knew my partner was straight-lined.
On this sitch, my partner passed or missed and I wasn't goin' there.

The fact is that my comment was less than perfect, and I knew it while it was coming out of my mouth. That's why I shared it.
All you guys give/gave great advice, but this sitch hadn't been brought up (again) before I hit the floor this year. Had it been mentioned/re-mentioned, I would have been re-armed and not made that exact comment.
I am guilty of a "Duh!"
But, I am blaming <u>all of you</u> for not reminding me before I got on the floor.
So there!!!

mick

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Use preparation, not Preparation-H, for a mouthwash.

But, I am blaming <u>all of you</u> for not reminding me before I got on the floor.
So there!!!

mick

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That reminds me of something my wife said; "I didn't say it was your fault...I said I was blaming you."

Guess that philosophy knows no gender line :D

I grabbed one break-away shooting foul call from about 75', but I knew my partner was straight-lined.
[/B][/QUOTE]Were you the lead or the trail on this play?:D

Were you the lead or the trail on this play?:D [/B][/QUOTE]

That is so WRONG!!!!

That is so WRONG!!!!
[/B][/QUOTE]Geeze,ask a simple question....

Btw,if it'll make you feel better:
-to-night at 5:00pm.....

Woody:"What's for supper to-night,hon?"
Wife:"Gee,I don't know,HON.Would you like me to cook something special for you,seeing it's our 37th anniversary?"

I am in deep doo-doo,mick!

Ladies and gentlemen,

The funeral for Jurassic will be held this Friday to mark his passing into that great basketball court in the sky.

Also, we ask that whistles be worn at "half-smitty" for your first game of the season.

:eek:

Mark,you would think that after 36 straight years,she'd be used to it.

Women--Can't live with 'em
Still against the law to shoot 'em(in some states)

Anybody claimed the games on JR's schedule yet? ;)

Nope.

I think we should at least wait until we get an official copy of the obit. :D

Geeze,ask a simple question....

Btw,if it'll make you feel better:
-to-night at 5:00pm.....

Woody:"What's for supper to-night,hon?"
Wife:"Gee,I don't know,HON.Would you like me to cook something special for you,seeing it's our 37th anniversary?"

I am in deep doo-doo,mick! [/B][/QUOTE]

Uh-oh.

BTW, yesterday the 4 legged Woody had his young life
hideously and forever changed by his vet. Kinda poetic
that both Woody's met the same fate within 24 hrs.

BTW2, happy anniversary. :)

Uh-oh.

BTW, yesterday the 4 legged Woody had his young life
hideously and forever changed by his vet. Kinda poetic
that both Woody's met the same fate within 24 hrs.

BTW2, happy anniversary. :) [/B][/QUOTE]Thanks,Dan.BTW...
1)Old Woody's gonna sleep in a spare bedroom to-night
2)With the door locked
3)On his stomach

BTW2,give young Woody my condolences.Shudder!

JR,
That shudder was your 666 post.
Happy 37.
mick

Can we arrange a 21 whistle salute? :)

My wife and I recently passed our 6th anniversary and we BOTH missed it. She couldn't say much about it.

Or maybe she remembered and was waiting for me to remember, and when I didn't remember, she is going to bring it up as evidence of my insensitive nature for the rest of my life. Uh-Oh! I think I'm in some real trouble here!

Ha, that didn't work for the young Woody. When his time came
it was waaaay too easy...

"C'mon Woody, get in the truck, we're going for a ride!"
"Bark! Bark! (Oh boy we're goin' to the river to play!)"

Descriptions and retransmissions of the following Far Side cartoon are made without the direct written consent of Gary Larson:

Man and dog driving in a pick-up truck. Dog leans out open passenger window and yells excitedly to his buddies in a neighbor's yard:

"And after the hardware store, I'm going to the vet to get tutored!!" :D

Oh, how I miss those single panel cartoons. . .

Chuck

Ha, that didn't work for the young Woody. When his time came
it was waaaay too easy...

"C'mon Woody, get in the truck, we're going for a ride!"
"Bark! Bark! (Oh boy we're goin' to the river to play!)"

[/B][/QUOTE]Good advice!The next time my wife asks me to go for a ride,I'll hide under the couch.:eek:

Now that I'm done laughing myself sick, I just want to Get Back To The SubjecT!

Mick -- I've said this kind of thing before and gotten away with it: "Coach, I was busy watching 13 and 24 in the low post." OR "Coach, I had 8 players down around the key. I trust my partner with those other two."