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Refsmitty Fri Feb 19, 2010 08:52am

Question?
 
Can a referee sit a coach down without calling a technical on them?

Freddy Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:00am

Nope
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 662999)
Can a referee sit a coach down without calling a technical on them?

No. The Head Coaches' Rule granting use of the coaches box upon state adoption (10-5-1a) is either all or nothing. It's not like baseball where you can restrict a coach to the dugout.
Partner two weeks ago actually told a coach, "Go and sit down or I'll give you a technical." :eek:

Adam Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:03am

I've seen partners do it, but I wouldn't.

grunewar Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:05am

Based on what?
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 663004)
I've seen partners do it, but I wouldn't.

+1

If you're there.....you're there! If he deserves a seat belt, he earned it. Whack him!

Ignats75 Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:26am

If you want him to sit down, why wouldn't you whack him? Pet Peeve of mine. If the coach needs to sit, you need to grow a pair and whack him. There are no bonus points for NOT whacking a coach.

Indianaref Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:38am

Along the same lines: I have seen an senior official, during a dead ball, stop the game, pull two opposing players off the floor, both of whom had been playing rough and tell the coaches to provide a sub for each. He didn't T them up, just wanted them off the floor for a cooling period.

JRutledge Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:47am

You can tell a coach do to a lot of things, it does not mean they have to listen. Some coaches will listen, other coaches will take offense. But if you stick a coach then you will not have to worry about what they are going to listen to because now by rule they are required to sit. ;)

Peace

Pantherdreams Fri Feb 19, 2010 09:54am

haha . . . I saw a game end on this one. My old man was a coach and the ref told him he had to sit down.

The ole' ball coach informed him, no where in the rules did he have to sit down.

The official told him he was responsible for managing the safety and conduct of everyone invloved so he was telling him he had to sit down or he'd have him removed.

Coach says there is no where in the rules that says I have to sit.

The official tosses him. No coach remaining on the bench high school rules say the game is now over. Game ends!

grunewar Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:21am

Gator, Redskin, Gamecock or other?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 663027)
The ole' ball coach informed him, no where in the rules did he have to sit down.

Steve Spurrier? ;)

Adam Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 663023)
You can tell a coach do to a lot of things, it does not mean they have to listen. Some coaches will listen, other coaches will take offense. But if you stick a coach then you will not have to worry about what they are going to listen to because now by rule they are required to sit. ;)

Peace

This leads to my problem with it. I've seen partners tell a coach to sit and not do anything when he refused. I've seen varsity refs do it in games I was watching. Of course they didn't do anything, you can't T a HC for standing within the coaching box.

Now, you've just issued an "order" that wasn't followed and have no recourse.

JRutledge Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 663050)
This leads to my problem with it. I've seen partners tell a coach to sit and not do anything when he refused. I've seen varsity refs do it in games I was watching. Of course they didn't do anything, you can't T a HC for standing within the coaching box.

Now, you've just issued an "order" that wasn't followed and have no recourse.

I completely agree with you on the "request." My point is that you can tell a coach a lot of things; it does not mean they will listen. And telling a coach to sit down when they do not have to under the rules is playing with a fire in a gasoline tank. It can easily explode on you if you get the right coach. But you can T a coach for all kinds of things and this is why if you feel that way as an official, just T the coach and they will be obligated to sit down by rule. So I would never make a request like this. But I have told coaches to "move on" or to "stop saying" certain things that I feel are inappropriate. But those are used as warnings and not used to dictate what a coach should or should not do.

Peace

Adam Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 663063)
i completely agree with you on the "request." my point is that you can tell a coach a lot of things; it does not mean they will listen. And telling a coach to sit down when they do not have to under the rules is playing with a fire in a gasoline tank. It can easily explode on you if you get the right coach. But you can t a coach for all kinds of things and this is why if you feel that way as an official, just t the coach and they will be obligated to sit down by rule. So i would never make a request like this. But i have told coaches to "move on" or to "stop saying" certain things that i feel are inappropriate. But those are used as warnings and not used to dictate what a coach should or should not do.

Peace

+1

BillyMac Fri Feb 19, 2010 06:25pm

Possibly ? Kind Of ? Almost ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 662999)
Can a referee sit a coach down without calling a technical on them?

If a technical foul is charged to bench personnel for an unsporting comment made to an official, or any other of a variety of reasons (pregame dunk), then an indirect technical foul also gets charged to the head coach, who then loses his privilege of standing in the coaching box.

Once he loses this privilege, he still can stand for a few reasons: to request a time-out or signal his players to request a time-out; to confer with personnel at the scorer’s table to request a time-out for correctable error, or a timing, scoring or alternating-possession mistake to be prevented or rectified; to replace or remove a disqualified/injured player or player directed to leave the game; during a charged timeout, intermission between quarters and extra periods; and to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member or to acknowledge a replaced player.

If, after losing his standing in the coaching box privilege, he is standing, and doing something that's not on the list above, like yelling plays to his players, then, yes, the official can tell the coach to sit down.

Mark Padgett Fri Feb 19, 2010 06:58pm

Gee - maybe the NF should adopt the rule we have in our local kids rec league - no coaching box.


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