blowing whistle for subs
 

Required? Of course, good habit as to have everyone's attention. Away from manual.

Thanks for starting a thread about this. It's something I've often thought about, as well. But, have never really discussed with colleagues.

I use the whistle in addition to holding up the palm when communicating "we have subs" to my partner(s).

Would love to hear what others have to say on the matter.

I'm going deaf already...
 

I don't whistle in subs unless I'm not sure I have my partners (or the subs') attention. Why add to the noise polution of a game? (I do NFHS games only)

"SUB!" (wave them in, they don't come), "SUB!" (wave them in, they don't come), "SUB!" (wave them in, they still don't come). "HEY - I'M NOT ORDERING A SANDWICH HERE"! :p

It's a required procedure in our local & provincial associations. We use FIBA rules.

Pregame I always tell my partner that we will have a whistle on all subs. I inform the table that only use the horn to get our attention and not to hit the horn for all subs (only do so if we do not notice).

I as a habit always whistle in subs, and I do think its a good thing to do as it forces you to be more aware as well as gives the impression that you are covering everything you need to and are aware of what is going on.

l hit the whistle almost all the time. Sometimes I may just say "Sub!" and wave them in if I am sure there's no chance of the ball becoming live.

According to the manual:

The official beckoning the substitutes should:

2. Sound his/her whistle, raise an open hand.

As always, check local listings.

Does anyone here, that uses a whistle when calling forth subs, use a "double or triple tweet"? Sometimes I do. Tacky?

a good referee will control the game thru a variety of ways: calls made/not made, positioning/physical presence, voice, and whistle.....not enough people use their whistle effectively....

I use my whistle on virtually every substitutution situation that I am responsible for.

We were told during our Fall League trng sessions NOT to do it as the table uses the horn/buzzer to signal us - agreed.

However, as I explained to the seasoned (and somewhat sometimes spoiled), V Officials, when you work JV and below (especially MS and Rec), you need to be ready to use the whistle more to control the game as the table sometimes isn't as alert or doesn't practice this technique as often as they should/we'd like.

When I need it, I use it. If I have a good table crew, I use it less.

I hit the whistle when I feel as if there's a need to get the attention of anyone (sub waiting, partner not looking, horn hasn't buzzed). I do it based on feel.

The use of the whistle is required per the NFHS manual for bringing in substitutes.

The horn from the table is merely to alert the officials to the situation. It is not a signal to the substitute to enter.

The use of the whistle makes it clear to everyone that the sub may now enter. It is cleaner.

Even the NCAA is moving this direction. The NCAAW made the whistle a required mechanic a couple of years ago.

2.4.6 F manual.

I was chastised by partner for not blowing in subs a few weeks ago. I thought I always did. Just a quick toot should suffice if everyone is already paying attention.

Yep.

Only if they don't respond to my initial whistle, but not normally.

Horn is always used in this area (and several other areas I've officiated in). I use the whistle if I see the sub but don't hear the horn for a second or two. If more subs are coming running to the table, I blow the whistle again to let my partner know not to hand the ball yet.

For the most part though, the horn lets us know there is a sub at the table. Unfortunately not edible though :rolleyes:

The horn notifies the official. The whistle is used to bring the sub in. See Nevada's post.

I don't get the hesitation in this area. Of course my partners and I all whistle all the subs in, so maybe that's it.

I use the whistle most of the time, but not all the time. I think it really depends on where you are located and how good the table personnel are in letting in subs.

Peace

Yes, you double tweet OR yes, it is tacky? :confused::D

Hmm.. I must be wrong, but I thought one of IL's mechanic "adoptions" was to NOT whistle in subs?

Bob, tell me more. Is this published somewhere?

Your question mark in OP was after tacky. Yes, it's 'tacky'.

I think it is suggested not to use it every time because it is not always necessary, but there is nothing against using the whistle. So it really comes down to who you work for.

Peace

Jeff, same question I asked Bob, do recall if this was written anywhere? A small wager hangs in the balance.

Ironic that this was brought up. After the game on Friday the administrator for the evening knocked on the door and said that we had a visitor. Behind him was the IAHSAA director. He came walking in and discussed the game with us. One area that he is trying to emphasis is the sub procedure. This is the way he wants it:

1. Sub checks into the game with the official scorer
2. When the appropriate time come, the clock operator will buzz the horn
3. The appropriate official will then blow their whistle and wave the subs into the game

He always wants the horn and always wants the whistle, in that order. My concern was that the clock operator may not always know the appropriate time to buzz the horn to let subs in but that's the way he wants it. His concern is that sometimes the officials let the subs in without properly checking into the game. I discussed it with my table on Tuesday and they have been told different things each game. I'm sure it's very confusing for them.

-Josh

Thus my comment on unnecessary noise pollution. Isn't a horn AND whistle redundant/overkill? Is getting in the subs that big of a problem? *shrug* JMHO.

In my opinion, yes. I tell the table to hit the horn on every sub even when I'm already looking right at them. No whistle is required and it goes against the mechanics manual to do so. I prefer to save my whistle for when it's really needed (fouls, violations and before throw-ins ONLY after a TO or long break).

EDIT:WHOA! I take it back, I just read this...

The official beckoning the subs in shall:
2. Sound his/her whistle, raise an open hand

I agree with you 100%. Just relaying what Iowa's authoritative figure wants. As we always say, when in Rome...

-Josh

It is not written because it is not required. That being said I am an IHSA Clinician with the state, so it really depends on who you work for. Some people like the whistle, others do not. But as you should know we do not use the NF Manuals so that information is not relevant to us necessarily unless otherwise stated.

Peace

...tell Caesar he's full of it. :p

Interesting. Did you ask him what you should do when you see a sub come to the table but the timer doesn't see him and therefore there is no horn when appropriate?

I remember (or mis-remember) HB saying it.

Like E.F. Hutton, everyone listens.

I tend to whistle if needed. If I'm directly looking at partner who is waiting for OK sign from me, and I have stop sign up, I don't whistle.

It's really nothing, just that my double patched partner seemed to make more out of it than it should have been.

I heard HB address the issue too as Bob stated, but not like "If you do not blow the whistle you will never work again......." type conversation. I just remember it in passing and really it depends like many other things in our state. I advocate those to use the whistle if you need to. But if I am right be the table like in a FT, I might not use it at all in those situations. There are many things in Illinois we are required to do, this is not one of them.

Peace

He indirectly addressed this question, IMO, when he said you have to assume if there is not a horn, the sub has not properly checked in.

He did address the situation where the coach sends up one sub at a time. He wants only the subs at the table when the ball became dead to be allowed to enter (within reason). If someone just picked up a foul and the coach wants to sub him out, then allow it but eliminate the lengthy sub process.

-Josh

So the IHSAA director wants you to use a different sub rule than the NFHS uses? The only time a sub is not allowed who has reported during a dead ball is if they report with less than 15 seconds left in the intermission or TO.

If he wants this done that way, he needs to put out a written directive so you guys have some sort of documented backing; otherwise you'll have no rules backing to make them wait.

Not the way I read it or understood the directives.
 

Snaq,

If I am reading this correctly, he is not saying to not follow the rule; he is saying to not have multiple times players being sent to the table. There was an interpretation along with an editorial change which basically suggested that subs should all be done at one time, not one here, then several seconds another later. Does that mean that we do this realistically? Of course not, but I can understand if an area wants a stricter enforcement of the rule.

Peace

You might be right, Rut, I may have read that wrong and applied it more broadly than the director's intent.

JRut is correct...Sorry, I probably didn't explain myself clear enough.

-Josh