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ripcord51 Fri Jan 29, 2010 04:53pm

Signalling number with two hands
 
Ok Say I want to be a cool guy and signal the fouls to the table with two hands. If I call a foul on number 20, Which hand to I put the 2 in while looking at the table?

tomegun Fri Jan 29, 2010 04:55pm

You do it from your right to left so they can read it from their left to right. 2 with your right, zero with your left.

Is this really an indication of someone trying to be cool or just another method to communicate. At the end of the day, besides what you are told locally, does it make a difference?

fiasco Fri Jan 29, 2010 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 656854)
At the end of the day, besides what you are told locally, does it make a difference?

Well, it depends on how you view the official NFHS mechanics. If you interpret them loosely, as a general indication of how we're to do things, subject to our local association, then I guess two hands is okay.

But, if you feel that, in order to be uniform with officials across the country, or for other reasons, you should stick to what the officials manual says, yes, it does make a difference, as the manual tells us to use one hand.

Loudwhistle Fri Jan 29, 2010 05:28pm

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Originally Posted by ripcord51 (Post 656851)
Ok Say I want to be a cool guy and signal the fouls to the table with two hands. If I call a foul on number 20, Which hand to I put the 2 in while looking at the table?

Forget trying to be cool, look professional and use one hand. Start with the 2.

jkohls Fri Jan 29, 2010 09:42pm

Here's a situation the wise ones:
As a teenager, I lost my left index finger (actually, I knew exactly where it landed, but...). It now ends basically at the knuckle. I signal all numbers with my right hand. The only time I feel it may be an issue is on free throws. I had an older guy on the front row behind me a couple weeks ago ask "How is he going to shoot one and half free throws?" I know the guy, so it wasn't a big deal, and I had to chuckle.


If you were me, what would you do, signal-wise?

BTW, signaling that an attempt is for 3-pts is so much easier for me than the rest of you.

muxbule Fri Jan 29, 2010 09:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripcord51 (Post 656851)
Ok Say I want to be a cool guy and signal the fouls to the table with two hands. If I call a foul on number 20, Which hand to I put the 2 in while looking at the table?

Two hand signaling is frowned upon in my association. Not cool:)

chseagle Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:10pm

FIBA Foul reporting
 
In FIBA, according to what I've read, the numbers allowed are 4-15. When reporting a number after 10, the right hand is closed with the left hand showing 1-5 fingers. For single digits above 5, the mechanic/procedure is the right hand shows 5, the left hands shows the additional numer of fingers needed for 6-10.

However I thought that for NFHS reporting all fouls are actually supposed to be reported one-handed. When the 1st number is called, the palm of the hand is supposed to be facing the official with the numer of fingers showing for that number. The second numer is done via palm facing the table with the appropriate fingers.

Freddy Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:14pm

Give 'Em A Hand...One Only, Please
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muxbule (Post 656895)
Two hand signaling is frowned upon in my association. Not cool:)

Prior to giving numbers with one hand, the somewhat accusatory pointing to the bench to show which team the foul is on is on the decline in our state, it seems. When one crew I work with is together, we tell the official scorer that the hand with which we report the number of the fouler signifies the bench whose team committed that foul. If blue team fouls, we report the number with the hand on blue bench's side, and vice versa.
Of course we also vocalize the color, but the redundancy confirms it for the table.
Some "table officials" have expressed their appreciation of that, for the sake of the clarity of it all.
Anybody else doing this?

representing Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:34pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 656897)
Prior to giving numbers with one hand, the somewhat accusatory pointing to the bench to show which team the foul is on is on the decline in our state, it seems. When one crew I work with is together, we tell the official scorer that the hand with which we report the number of the fouler signifies the bench whose team committed that foul. If blue team fouls, we report the number with the hand on blue bench's side, and vice versa.
Of course we also vocalize the color, but the redundancy confirms it for the table.
Some "table officials" have expressed their appreciation of that, for the sake of the clarity of it all.
Anybody else doing this?

I only know of one person in our whole chapter who does that, and that's not the only thing he does uniquely compared to others in our chapter. I'm pretty sure doing that is frowned upon in our chapter.

Didn't your mother ever tell you it's not nice to point at people? :p

refiator Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:23pm

It depends on your local mechanics. NFHS still says one-hand...Although some states (including Georgia, where I am) use 2 hand mechanics.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:15am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 656896)
However I thought that for NFHS reporting all fouls are actually supposed to be reported one-handed. When the 1st number is called, the palm of the hand is supposed to be facing the official with the numer of fingers showing for that number. The second numer is done via palm facing the table with the appropriate fingers.

Not surprisingly, this isn't correct.

mcdanrd Sat Jan 30, 2010 01:26am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 656896)
When the 1st number is called, the palm of the hand is supposed to be facing the official with the numer of fingers showing for that number. The second numer is done via palm facing the table with the appropriate fingers.

Huh? :confused: You're gonna get carpal tunnel syndrome twisting your hand like that. One hand only. No need to twist so palm is out then in.

chseagle Sat Jan 30, 2010 01:54am

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Originally Posted by mcdanrd (Post 656940)
Huh? :confused: You're gonna get carpal tunnel syndrome twisting your hand like that. One hand only. No need to twist so palm is out then in.

Well thanks to an old job, I already have tendinitis of my right wrist.

I do see the idea however being presented about no flipping of the wrist.

Ignats75 Sat Jan 30, 2010 09:27am

I don't point at the bench, but as I say the color I point with my open palm and thumb tucked facing the table sideways with whichever hand is to the side that that team is sitting. In louder gyms, it helps the table.

justacoach Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 656944)
Well thanks to an old job, I already have tendinitis of my right wrist.

Did you handle crowd control at an X-rated movie house??

chartrusepengui Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:36pm

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by chseagle
Well thanks to an old job, I already have tendinitis of my right wrist.

Did you handle crowd control at an X-rated movie house??
Nah - one's not a crowd!! :D

chseagle Sat Jan 30, 2010 02:18pm

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 657032)
Did you handle crowd control at an X-rated movie house??

Never been in an X-rated movie house, so nope not how happened.

Right wrist due to repitious notion when cashiering at a major retailer is how the tendinitis is there.

BillyMac Sat Jan 30, 2010 04:03pm

Ca-Ching ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 657045)
Right wrist due to repetitious notion when cashiering at a major retailer is how the tendinitis is there.

Sounds like a workman comp claim ready to happen?

chseagle Sun Jan 31, 2010 05:09am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 657058)
Sounds like a workman comp claim ready to happen?

It was an L&I Claim that the retailer had to take care of.

YooperRef Mon Feb 01, 2010 05:22pm

Zero??
 
How do you guys signal zero when reporting a foul on #20? Closed fist or forming your hand in the shape of a zero? I've been using the latter but upon further review I'm thinking the closed fist looks better/less confusing.

jdw3018 Mon Feb 01, 2010 05:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by YooperRef (Post 657542)
How do you guys signal zero when reporting a foul on #20? Closed fist or forming your hand in the shape of a zero? I've been using the latter but upon further review I'm thinking the closed fist looks better/less confusing.

Closed fist.

muxbule Mon Feb 01, 2010 09:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by YooperRef (Post 657542)
How do you guys signal zero when reporting a foul on #20? Closed fist or forming your hand in the shape of a zero? I've been using the latter but upon further review I'm thinking the closed fist looks better/less confusing.

two votes for closed fist

Jeremy Hohn Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:34pm

Make it 3.....some co-officials kick their elbow out and make an "O" with the left hand on zeros...but I like the closed fist personally....

BillyMac Tue Feb 02, 2010 07:21am

He's Keeping A List ...
 
http://thm-a04.yimg.com/nimage/73e97d2ec9530094

grunewar Tue Feb 02, 2010 07:33am

Ya Know......
 
I know more about chseagle's personal and medical history than members of my own family. He doesn't need Facebook or Twitter as this is his personal blog site.......he's out there! :rolleyes:

BillyMac Tue Feb 02, 2010 07:35am

No Wonder I Haven't Gotten Any Dates ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 657717)
He doesn't need Facebook or Twitter as this is his personal blog site.......he's out there!

Wait a minute? I thought this was an internet dating website?

BillyMac, SWDM

amusedofficial Tue Feb 02, 2010 07:46am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 656922)
Not surprisingly, this isn't correct.

It would be considerably more helpful to a) omit the cheap shot in the first clause and b) provide correct information following the second clause. Obviously the lad is at the table when various officials, presumably including veterans, use an incorrect mechanic. If he's learning by watching he needs to be set straight when what he's watching is not correct, not slammed for raising a question, as indicated by the phrase "However I thought..." which is anything but a pronouncement than an incorrect mechanic is correct.

constable Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 656896)
In FIBA, according to what I've read, the numbers allowed are 4-15. When reporting a number after 10, the right hand is closed with the left hand showing 1-5 fingers. For single digits above 5, the mechanic/procedure is the right hand shows 5, the left hands shows the additional numer of fingers needed for 6-10.

However I thought that for NFHS reporting all fouls are actually supposed to be reported one-handed. When the 1st number is called, the palm of the hand is supposed to be facing the official with the numer of fingers showing for that number. The second numer is done via palm facing the table with the appropriate fingers.


Wrong.

How about you let the basketball officials answer the basketball officiating questions.

You can answer questions on what type of pens you prefer to mark the score book with or which brand of scoreboard you prefer.

icallfouls Tue Feb 02, 2010 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 657177)
It was an L&I Claim that the retailer had to take care of.

done with it

icallfouls Tue Feb 02, 2010 01:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 657719)
It would be considerably more helpful to a) omit the cheap shot in the first clause and b) provide correct information following the second clause. Obviously the lad is at the table when various officials, presumably including veterans, use an incorrect mechanic. If he's learning by watching he needs to be set straight when what he's watching is not correct, not slammed for raising a question, as indicated by the phrase "However I thought..." which is anything but a pronouncement than an incorrect mechanic is correct.


DOne with it

Freddy Tue Feb 02, 2010 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 657820)
You haven't been paying attention. The "eagle" has no understanding of what his duties are and tries to make them more than they were ever intended. He pipes in as if he knows what is correct, when in fact he does not. While he may be well intentioned (doubt that), he provides information that is not supported by rule. He has been repeatedly advised to refer to rule books before spouting his nonsense.

He is like the little kid in the neighborhood that is not well liked but keeps coming back for the abuse because he likes the attention.

Check your mailbox for a private message. :)


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