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CDurham Tue Jan 26, 2010 07:13pm

Continuous Motion/Gathering Ball
 
Had a situation tonight in a JV Boys Game. I'm in the Lead position and A1 has the ball just inside the free throw line. He is dribbling parallel to the baseline and towards table side. He gathers the ball and goes up into the air. Where he was whacked. I went up with 2 shots. The coach of course wanted "on the floor" as he was dribbling towards the sideline. However, in my opinion he gathered the ball and started to turn in what I thought was a shooting motion. Sort of like a Kobe Bryant fade away.
- What do you guys see in this? Correct call?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Jan 26, 2010 07:15pm

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Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 655715)
Had a situation tonight in a JV Boys Game. I'm in the Lead position and A1 has the ball just inside the free throw line. He is dribbling parallel to the baseline and towards table side. He gathers the ball and goes up into the air. Where he was whacked. I went up with 2 shots. The coach of course wanted "on the floor" as he was dribbling towards the sideline. However, in my opinion he gathered the ball and started to turn in what I thought was a shooting motion. Sort of like a Kobe Bryant fade away.
- What do you guys see in this? Correct call?




Good job. Shoot two free throws.

MTD, Sr.

Loudwhistle Tue Jan 26, 2010 07:28pm

Who cares what a coach thinks!
 
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Originally Posted by CDurham View Post
Had a situation tonight in a JV Boys Game. I'm in the Lead position and A1 has the ball just inside the free throw line. He is dribbling parallel to the baseline and towards table side. He gathers the ball and goes up into the air. Where he was whacked. I went up with 2 shots. The coach of course wanted "on the floor" as he was dribbling towards the sideline. However, in my opinion he gathered the ball and started to turn in what I thought was a shooting motion. Sort of like a Kobe Bryant fade away.
- What do you guys see in this? Correct call?

From how it is described and how I picture it in my mind I would say you made the right call. It is different than the norm, but not uncommon especially with an advanced player, faking out an opponent is a great part of basketball. Sounds like he faked out the coach too by turning in air to shoot!

Freddy Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:35pm

Non Difficulis
 
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Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 655715)
. . . in my opinion he gathered the ball and started to turn in what I thought was a shooting motion.

Terms like "continuous motion" and "on the floor" cause confusion with what otherwise is very clear. And that is what you stated above, which merits two shots if his shooting motion did not result in a made basket.
We're depriving far too many their merited two free throws.
Banish from your officiating that term "on the floor."

CDurham Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:43pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 655747)
Terms like "continuous motion" and "on the floor" cause confusion with what otherwise is very clear. And that is what you stated above, which merits two shots if his shooting motion did not result in a made basket.
We're depriving far too many their merited two free throws.
Banish from your officiating that term "on the floor."

I say "before the shot" I used the term "on the floor" because the coach was arguing that there was motion in attempting a shot. What do you say?

Freddy Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:35pm

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Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 655749)
I say "before the shot" I used the term "on the floor" because the coach was arguing that there was motion in attempting a shot. What do you say?

"No Shot! Green ball out of bounds." (or ". . . one-and-one").

I like your "before the shot", also. Just not "On the Floor!"

Raymond Wed Jan 27, 2010 09:31am

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Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 655749)
I say "before the shot" I used the term "on the floor" because the coach was arguing that there was motion in attempting a shot. What do you say?

"2 shots Coach"

Jeremy Hohn Wed Jan 27, 2010 04:06pm

Always use "NO SHOT" instead of "on the floor". My ruling is if they begin the "gather" to attempt the shot, I am lining them up. I believe it was a point of emphasis in the NCAA this season.

Mark Padgett Wed Jan 27, 2010 04:22pm

I yell, "Occurred prior to the starting of the continuous motion that usually leads to a shot".

Yeah, right.

Adam Wed Jan 27, 2010 06:09pm

Had a coach this year actually ask, "he can shoot from the floor?" He was questioning free throws on a foul that occurred low on the arms as the shooter was bringing the ball up off the floor to shoot in the paint.

Sadly, I couldn't help myself. "yes, it's called a set shot." Not proud of it, but he just walked away mumbling and let it go.

BillyMac Wed Jan 27, 2010 07:47pm

Unless It's A Three ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Hohn (Post 656034)
Always use "NO SHOT" instead of "on the floor".

Agree. If this little girl gets fouled in this position, I'm giving her two shots.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/00485e313aeb34f6

Chess Ref Wed Jan 27, 2010 07:56pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 656077)

Sadly, I couldn't help myself. "yes, it's called a set shot." Not proud of it, but he just walked away mumbling and let it go.


+1

I have a line for when I do something I know I shouldn't, but do it anyway.

"I'm so ashamed " :rolleyes:......stolen from Sara Jessica Parker in some dumb girl movie.

Adam Wed Jan 27, 2010 08:21pm

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 656123)
+1

I have a line for when I do something I know I shouldn't, but do it anyway.

"I'm so ashamed " :rolleyes:......stolen from Sara Jessica Parker in some dumb girl movie.

"Lord I apologize...and be with the pygmies in New Guinea. Amen."

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jan 27, 2010 09:27pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 656120)
Agree. If this little girl gets fouled in this position, I'm giving her two shots.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/00485e313aeb34f6


Billy:

I think her feet are behind the line, you better giver her three shots if she misses the shot. :D

MTD, Sr.

Adam Thu Jan 28, 2010 01:07am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 656169)
Billy:

I think her feet are behind the line, you better giver her three shots if she misses the shot. :D

MTD, Sr.

For shooting outside the paint? You're generous (or is it chivalrous?)


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