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doubleringer Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:01am

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Originally Posted by dbking (Post 655065)
Varsity 1 game = $70 all 3 person
Varsity 2 game set = $140 all 3 person

Sub varsity $40 - 45? all 2 person

Most games are single game, one conference does double headers.

I'm moving back to KC. Here in Iowa we get anywhere from $66 (the lowest I've been paid this year, they're off the schedule in the future) to $95 (highest plus mileage at some schools) for double headers. Single games are $70 I think.

Rich Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:45am

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Originally Posted by doubleringer (Post 655881)
I'm moving back to KC. Here in Iowa we get anywhere from $66 (the lowest I've been paid this year, they're off the schedule in the future) to $95 (highest plus mileage at some schools) for double headers. Single games are $70 I think.

With travel, I've received up to $115 in SW Wisconsin. Of course, in those games I'm driving 100 miles one way, so I'd rather forego the $50 travel and work locally, but it is what it is sometimes.

TwoDot Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:50am

In Montana it is $50 for two man varsity, 46.25 for a 3 person varsity. Typically it would be for at two game set (boys and girls varsity).

A Pennsylvania Coach Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:52pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 654910)
Wow. I know if you do a 2-man varsity game, it's something like $70. I believe 3-man is $60, but will find out on Thursday when I do my first varsity game.

JV is $52.

This is Pennsylvania.

In my part of Pennsylvania:

Varsity (2-person): $74
Varsity (3-person): $60

Everything else is 2-person:
JV: $53.50
One JH game: $49.50
Two JH games in a set: $73.50
Adult Rec: $25
Youth Travel: $30
CYO: $30, $28, $22 depending on level

No mileage on top of any of that. Work solo on what should be a two-man game and you get a fee-and-a-half.

chartrusepengui Wed Jan 27, 2010 01:09pm

NE WI - I've gotten as high as $149 with travel - $80 + $69 mileage and as low as $45 for 2 person.

BillyMac Wed Jan 27, 2010 07:19pm

150% Effort ???
 
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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 655962)
Work solo on what should be a two-man game and you get a fee-and-a-half.

Ditto for Connecticut.

Adam Wed Jan 27, 2010 07:23pm

CO
Varsity 2: $55
Varsity 3: $47

JV 2: $41
JV 3: $35

Metro areas of Denver and Co. Springs (maybe others) pay a $2 travel stipend to each official per night. If we travel to a school outside the area, one official per crew gets mileage.

NathanRT Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:24pm

Dallas:

(for schools on the flat rate plan, some of our schools still pay UIL 1204)

MS:
$30/game, $10 Travel/Assignment

9th/JV:
$40/game, $10 Travel/Assignment

Varsity:
$55/game, $15 Travel/Assignment

Schools more than 25 miles from downtown pay an additional $10 travel surcharge (Varsity only).

Tournaments are the same, minus the travel.

//edited for clarity

amusedofficial Thu Jan 28, 2010 02:24am

Reject multi game discounts
 
Cutting fees for doing more than one game, or for working three whistle as opposed to two, is something officials should stand united and reject out of hand.

You're paying for my training, my expertise, and my experience. It's the same in game two as in game one. It's the same if I have two partners or one.

Full fee for each, please. And fie on those who jump at the chance to give a discount for taking two games. I'm not mailing it in on game two and I don't expect the league or school to consider the second game worth anything but a full fee.

Rich Thu Jan 28, 2010 02:30am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 656232)
Cutting fees for doing more than one game, or for working three whistle as opposed to two, is something officials should stand united and reject out of hand.

You're paying for my training, my expertise, and my experience. It's the same in game two as in game one. It's the same if I have two partners or one.

Full fee for each, please. And fie on those who jump at the chance to give a discount for taking two games. I'm not mailing it in on game two and I don't expect the league or school to consider the second game worth anything but a full fee.

Some places have a set fee that sets the second game at a lower rate than the first.

Not here. If I work a JV/V DH I get paid the JV rate plus the V rate. In baseball, a DH pays twice a single game fee. As it should be. If mileage is included, pay it once - I'm only driving once.

Adam Thu Jan 28, 2010 02:40am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 656232)
Cutting fees for doing more than one game, or for working three whistle as opposed to two, is something officials should stand united and reject out of hand.

1. How do you propose we do this?
2. Are you suggesting that working 3 is just as difficult as 2? I'm not saying 2/3 is a fair sum, but I don't think 3/3 makes sense either. The fact is, if I'm working a game with 2 rather than 3, I think I should get paid more.

bbcof83 Thu Jan 28, 2010 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 654993)
High school subvarsity pays $53 for one game, $77 for two games here in the Twin Cities, with no mileage reimbursement.

I haven't worked a varsity game yet, so I can't comment on the pay rate there.

$70 for a single varsity, 2 or 3 officials. $105 for V/JV. No mileage in the metro.

ODJ Thu Jan 28, 2010 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 654991)
I need to move to Austin! My wife has informed me though that we can't move to Austin just for the increase in officiating fees. :(

At least Austin has zoning laws.

Kingsman1288 Thu Jan 28, 2010 04:19pm

Sunny San Diego
 
Here in sunny San Diego, CA we get...

Varsity 2 Person-$69

Varsity 3 Person-$55 (I believe this is the new amount, 3 person is relatively rare here except in playoffs)

JV-$50

Freshman-$42

Club (Non-CIF Sanctioned) Freshman ~$30

No mileage except for one school that is way out there, and even then only one official gets the mileage $. Their way of encouraging carpooling I suppose. No reductions for double headers either, full game fee for each game. JV/V=119, V/V=138, etc.

M&M Guy Thu Jan 28, 2010 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 656237)
2. Are you suggesting that working 3 is just as difficult as 2? I'm not saying 2/3 is a fair sum, but I don't think 3/3 makes sense either. The fact is, if I'm working a game with 2 rather than 3, I think I should get paid more.

Does the game take less time when you work 3-person vs. 2-person? Are you gone from home less time? Does your uniform cost more when you work 2-person? If you don't get mileage (which many do not), do you drive less if it's a 3-person game, than if that same game is done 2-person? In the summer, do you train less in 3-person mechanics? Is the "gate" at the school less if the game is officiated with 3 officials? (Shall I go on?)

Just sayin'. :)


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