Blarge ...Then it Wasn't
 

Blarge call in boys varsity game last night. Both coaches see the two officials give opposing calls. The two get together and come out of the discussion with a consensus PC call. Obviously the offensive coach wasnt happy.

I'm a relatively new ref so I'm curious as to what might have been discussed to change the blarge call to a PC.

I cannot tell you what could have been talked about, but if both officials signaled, then they are stuck by rule. They must go with a double foul, it is that simple. Officials kicked the rule and the call. ;)

Peace

Should have been a double foul. Charge on A1, Block on B1. Very straightforward.

I can tell you exactly what was discussed: either the right issue (whether defender had LGP) or the wrong one (whether he was "set").

But the discussion is moot, since by rule a blarge must be recorded as a double foul.

Unless you happen to be JAR. :D

...OK...who gets the ball?

What happens on simultaneous fouls?

its treated the same as if you have a double foul on 2 post players

...so you are saying that EVERY blarge is treated the SAME as a double foul on 2 post players?

Yes,

what would you do in the case of the 2 post players getting a double foul? how would you administer the resumption of play?

poi

I would expect to get yelled at by both coaches. :rolleyes:

bingo

More likely they came together, discussed and decided to defer to whoever's primary it was. But it's too late for that, they needed to go with a blarge, as unsavory as that is.

Just creating a discussion here...

...so if A1 has released his try for goal, and then crashes into B1...and then both officials have a blarge...are you still treating it exactly like a double foul on 2 post players, while A2 dribbles the ball at the top of the key?

All simoltaneous fouls GO TO POI...nothing complicated about that.

In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM POSSESSION.

I think you are confusing POI with posession arrow. the possession arrow can be the POI. POI means point of interruption. When you have a simultaneous foul you go to the POI and the possession arrow can help you decide who gets possession.

Yes, you go to the point of interruption.

-Josh

1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

...nah...I get it.

Again...just creating some discussion, so that others might see the thought process.

It is POI...but, some may have thought simply to give the ball back to Team A when a blarge occurs.

As you stated...it COULD be a throw-in for Team A...or it COULD go to the possession arrow...it depends on the POI.

NOTE: I have had two blarges, that I can remember, in my 20 year career...in both instances, we got together and decided one official had the call BEFORE the other.

I know, I know...you will say we screwed it up...so I have screwed up a grand total of 2 calls in 20 years.;)

It's not a successful try if (NFHS) one official has a PC foul. ;)

you might want to double check your #2.

If it's a double foul, one cannot be a PC by definition. Basket counts if it's released prior to the contact. Case play is clear.

Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

Have benefitted from many "I'll buy the first round if you are correct" bet from fans and officials alike after showing them
4.19.8 (a).

It's inexcuseable that a fellow official would lose this bet.

...beautiful...you know, kid, I'm starting to like you more and more.

Somewhere between Nevada and Jurassic...:D

Well now I'm torn.... :D

What did you see? Here's what I saw. etc. etc.

Okay, it's your call.

Proceed from there.

Coach: What about the other guy? What did he call?

Me: Nothing

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