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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Mick,just want to clarify what I was trying to get at.I agree with MTD,also-but I think that crew's evaluator may have not been upset that crew killed the play,but was upset that he delayed killing the play too long.

JR,
Makes sense. Course you'd know more about evaluating than I, ...and how poorly evaluators communicate with their charges.
I assume you speak evaluatorese?
mick

Re: Question for Andy and Bob J.

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I have heard this argument many times before as it relates to what happens with younger players and kids. Andy and Bob, do you not think that younger kids might act more hurt or cry for example and really not be hurt? I mean how many times have you seen a kid fall down, cry or appear hurt uncontrollably, then appear fine the next oppourtunity they can play? Part of this has to do with seeing the play, but it appears to me that younger kids are not always as hurt as it appears at first glance. Aside from sports, how many times have we seen kids fall and adults think, "that must of hurt" and they bounce back up an play?

Just want your further opinions.

Peace

Rut, I agree with you about younger kids appearing to be more hurt than they really are. I have kids myself that will scream to raise the dead when they fall only to be fine two minutes later. However, I spend far more time with my own children than I do with the kids in a game. I know when my kids are really hurt or not.

As I stated originally, I am going to err on the side of safety and stop play. I am not a trained medical person, but I am liable for that particular game. If a kid goes down and I have any question about the severity of a possible injury, I'm stopping play and getting the coach out there to handle the kid. If he pops up and is fine a few minutes later, great, we move on. If, on the other hand, there is a serious injury, I've fulfilled my responsibility by stopping play and getting the coach out there to take care of the player.

I guess my point is that I can't always tell the severity of the injury at first glance with the younger kids, so I will be quicker to stop play.

At most of the camps I have been to, we've always been told to "treat it like a regular season game." However, I find that hard to do when it comes to injuries. At camp, I would have done the same as you did Crew.

During the season, I would have only stopped the game if I felt that the injury was serious. If the player was able to walk off the floor on his own power I'd probably wait til' a dead ball or until his team regained control.

Z

P.S. As far as younger kids go, I'm stopping if I even think they might be hurt or if the cry. Better safe then sorry when it comes to kids.

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Originally posted by mick
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...and how poorly evaluators communicate with their charges.[/B][/QUOTE]Mick,I'm hoping that's what happened on this play,because I don't think crew deserved to get his a$$ reamed out just because he stopped it.Sometimes players look OK after a trainwreck,but all of a sudden they start to wobble.Maybe crew thought the player would be OK until he actually left the floor.That's his judgement.I think that it's awful tough to second-guess the guy on the floor in these situations when you're not in his shoes.Discussing the play to get his view rather than just teeing off on him would be a better way to go,I think.

As far as I'm concerned an obviously hurt player heading to
the bench is the same as a player on the floor. If A was
not moving the play towards the basket then blow the ball
dead. You done good, IMO. Could it be that the evaluator
thought that A was moving the ball upcourt aggressively?
Obviously in that case you should bite your whistle.

Re: Re: Question for Andy and Bob J.

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Originally posted by mick

Rut,
Come to think of it, I have passed on that play.
Although it could put us into a liability problem.

Mick,

Officiating in itself puts at a liability risk. You can get sued for anything. You especially can get sued for not calling fouls or not calling the right fouls. I do not see this play blowing the whistle as changing anything. If a kid is really hurt, whether we stop play or not stop play might not matter.

But that is the way I see it.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Question for Andy and Bob J.

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Originally posted by JRutledge

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Originally posted by mick

Rut,
Come to think of it, I have passed on that play.
Although it could put us into a liability problem.

Mick,

Officiating in itself puts at a liability risk. You can get sued for anything. You especially can get sued for not calling fouls or not calling the right fouls. I do not see this play blowing the whistle as changing anything. If a kid is really hurt, whether we stop play or not stop play might not matter.

But that is the way I see it.

Peace

Agreeing.
So, ...damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Wow! Just like real life. :)

I had heard of a lawyer in the area that was giving seminars on how to "Sue Sports Officials." I am sure that there were many more things that were involved than just hurt players. Or at least that is what I heard.

Peace

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I had heard of a lawyer in the area that was giving seminars on how to "Sue Sports Officials." I am sure that there were many more things that were involved than just hurt players. Or at least that is what I heard.

Peace

Well, you can keep 'em.
I sure hope I don't get sued to make up for the gambling losses owed to some Chicago bookie.
Scary thought. :(
Besides, I thought they were yelling, "Boo, boo!" and now its "Sue, Sue!" ?!??!! Yuck!

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Is he on the PrePaid Legal staff?

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Originally posted by bigwhistle

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I had heard of a lawyer in the area that was giving seminars on how to "Sue Sports Officials." I am sure that there were many more things that were involved than just hurt players. Or at least that is what I heard.

Peace

Is he on the PrePaid Legal staff?

No just the opposite. PrePaid Legal Lawyers are there to prevent or help you from getting sued or giving legal advice for a business or persons that have legal issues. I heard this story from a Big 10 Football Official that is a lawyer himself.

Peace

sorry im on the wrong thread with the previous to replies. my bad fellas. sorry j-ref