Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 653650)

Congrats, mbyron! Glad it went well...

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 653960)

Even more important than not mentioning to your partners about it being your first BV game is to not announce it at the captains & coaches meeting.

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 653627)

I started doing varsity girls last year, and had my first varsity boys game last night. A couple notes:

1. I got a call from my primary assignor asking if I would take this game -- 1 h 40 minutes away! Game fee will cover approximately half of my mileage.

2. I think I did OK. I had two great partners and tried to match their game. I might have missed a minor travel and maybe a couple of other things, but I didn't have a "stinker" -- you know, the call that has everyone in the gym either screaming at you or scratching their heads asking "what the heck was that?" I made one or two calls as L on C's side of the lane, but they were double whistles. Still working on the different PCA's for 3-person.

3. Two smallish teams that play basically the same game. We had about 30 fouls in the first half, including a double T that partner called in the 1Q. It was right after a shooting foul where the shooter ended up on the floor. The fouler kinda stood over him in a threatening way (not quite taunting), and the shooter's teammate got up on the fouler's face. One coach said "isn't that a little quick?" Partner replied: "Should I have waited until they threw a punch?" Didn't have any further trouble that night.

4. Second half went much smoother. Oh yeah: to complete my initiation and to make sure I didn't get home quickly, we went to overtime (sorry Padgett).

I didn't tell my partners that it was my first varsity game until afterwards. Didn't want them to worry about me. It was good.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 653965)

First and foremost, congrats! You are capable. Believe in yourself.

Question about the double T decision that your partner made: Did the fouler and the teammate exchange words or pushes? Was he penalizing them for offenses committed against each other? If not, and the fouler was T'd for standing over the shooter while the teammate was T'd for coming to the shooter's aid, then this should NOT have been a double T. It should have been a false double technical foul and the two teams each should have been awarded 2FTs in the order in which the fouls occurred.

PS Do you get paid mileage as well as a game fee?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 653965)

Question about the double T decision that your partner made: Did the fouler and the teammate exchange words or pushes? Was he penalizing them for offenses committed against each other? If not, and the fouler was T'd for standing over the shooter while the teammate was T'd for coming to the shooter's aid, then this should NOT have been a double T. It should have been a false double technical foul and the two teams each should have been awarded 2FTs in the order in which the fouls occurred.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 654007)

I respectfully beg to differ, Mr. CumquatHead.

Were the techical fouls committed by opponents? Check!!
Did the technical fouls occur at approximately the same time? Check!!
Did the opponents not commit the technical fouls against each other? Check!!(only one of the "T"s was against each other, not both)

Sure sounds to me like it meets the definition of a simultaneous technical foul as per rule 4-19-10.

And there is also nowayinhell it can only be a false double technical foul. Did you forget the original personal foul on the shooter? It's a false double foul comprised of the original personal foul on the shooter followed by the simultaneous technical fouls.

And how do you administer this, you ask? There's no FT's for a simultaneous technical foul and you go to the POI as per rule 10-6PENALTIES SUMMARY 1(d). And in this case the POI is the first FT for the personal foul committed on the shooter as per rule 4-36-2(b). And you shoot the FT's with the players on the lane lines.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 654011)

Perhaps simultaneous Ts would be appropriate here. <font color = red> It lies in the eye of the beholder<font>.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 654016)

Can't argue too much with that. Judgment call.

Personally, if the actions are related to each other and the time frame is close, I lump 'em together.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 654017)

Sure simplifies things and saves administering a bunch of FTs!