Numerical order in the scorebook
 

Hey all, I have a buddy asking me and I don't have my rulebooks to research it with me at work. Is there a rule stating that players have to be entered into the official scorebook in numerical order? If anybody has it can you give me the rulesbook reference and text? TIA.

2-11-1 note:It is recommendedthe team member's numbers be entered into the scorebook in numerical order

Strictly a suggestion...

NFHS Rules Book 2009-2010 Page 17

Rule 2 SECTION 11 SCORER’S DUTIES
The scorer shall:
ART. 1 . . . Keep a record of the names and numbers of players who are to start
the game and of all substitutes who enter the game.
NOTE: It is recommended the team member’s numbers be entered into the scorebook in
numerical order.

As phrased, the question should be answered, "No."

The rulebook's recommendation is an excellent one, however, and I believe that the vast majority of scorekeepers enter the players in numerical order. So common practice dictates doing it that way.

so if the numbers are NOT entered numerically there can't be an admin T, correct? i only ask this because my coaching buddy had this called against him in a 7th grade game this season. apparently the other coach was adamant that since his players weren't in numerical order that it was an admin T against my buddy. the ref was reluctant to do this but i guess the other coach talked him into it. he was asking me and i have to admit it i had never heard of such a rule.

my buddy then proceeded to put the hurt on the other coach and his team and beat them by about 50. :p

You can't call a T for failing to abide by a recommendation.

LOL, I can't say I blame him for running up the score here.

And the scorekeeper went along with this! Was the scorekeeper named.....er, never mind. :rolleyes:

What a maroon! Seems like the other coach has a bit more to worry about/concentrate on........

Seems like the coach had an official ring him up for it once and wanted to hit the other coach for it.

That makes at least two officials who don't know the rule.

I had a partner this year delay the game because of this. He made them re-do the book in numerical order.

It was, apparently, actually enforced in his previous locale.

well, i think this story kind of relates what kind of a coach we're dealing with here.

the other part that i left out... since opposing team got the ball at the division line instead of having a tip, my buddies team stole the inbounds and had an uncontested layup to go up 2-0 within 5 seconds of starting the game (other team missed both free throws). :D

But, 7th graders? Sheesh!

Absolutely! I had some adult, seasoned coaches get into an interesting discussion the other night about the ole "wreck league player participation rule." It was embarassing.

True.

Ugh, I hate that. Had a wreck game several years ago where the one coach was being a b*tch about the players participation rule, and the game got delayed for like 5 minutes because they were going back and forth about the one team's best player being in for so many "rounds". Wreck league here divides the quarters into 3 minutes, and every three minutes there is a mandatory substitution and depending on how many players are there that day each player is only allowed to play so many 3-minute periods, and can't be in more than two periods in a row. I had to get the league administrators involved, since they were there watching that day.

I always tell the coaches they have to enter the players into the book in descending order by height. :p

I'll check the Table Crew Forum page to see what they would suggest we should do :D

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 652092) I'll check the Table Crew Forum page to see what they would suggest we should do :D

took longer than I thought!:cool:

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I absolutely love it when the numbers are in numerical order. It makes it real easy to check for identical numbers, and even makes it seem easier to check for illegal numbers.

I used to keep the book for our high school games when I was still in high school, and I hated it when someone had already entered the players not in numerical order. Took forever to find the number corresponding to the foul.

Interesting!
 

As a current scorekeeper (5'th Year BV & 4'th Year GV) I always set the books up in numerical order. Setting it up out of order sets you up for a headache in trying to locate players when they score or are called for a foul-especially when you work multiple games!

Really?

"Coach, I'd recommend you be quiet." :)

In The Immortal Words Of Jurassic Referee ...
 

"BktBallRef, I recommend that you shut up."

Wghen I'm handed a book or roster in order other than numeric, I cringe. I'm with you; numeric order makes it a lot easier to find players when it comes to recording information.

I cannot recall any rule set that requires this (NCAA and NFHS I can say with certainty do not).

Heck, one local middle school coach won't even put last names in his score book. :confused:

So what? You do everything by number anyway. Why do you care if the kids even have names? :p

Because the rules do actually require names.