sub question,2 shoe lace
 

once a player leaves the floor and a sub enter can the first player still come right back in as a sub? say subbed on accident.

also and the way I've been doing it if a players shoes becomes untied I let them know during a break and maybe stop it if there is a lull in the action. Do you ever stop play if a player, especially one on D has their shoe untied?

3-3-3 and 3-3-4 should answer your question.

No, I will never stop play for a shoe lace being untied. I will not even stop play if they lose their shoe. They need to wait until play has stopped naturally and then get the situation corrected. If they do not know how to tie a shoe they have bigger problems.

Peace

Agreed. No need to stop play for this, and I don't generally even delay putting the ball in play at even the middle school level.
Now, if my shoe comes untied, that's a different story.

It was so bad in one of the B12U Rec Leagues I reffed at a few yrs ago I recall stepping in to the circle for the opening jump once and stating, "Gentlemen, shirts tucked in, pants up, shoes tied? First player who holds up the game to tie their shoes - coach owes me a dollar! Have fun. Here we go." (Too much talking I know, but it was rec and got my point across).

My experience, and for whatever reason now that I think about it, seems to be less of a problem now. shrug.

Just last week had a player (HS freshman) turn to me after her team got a rebound and say, "Time out, ref," pointing at a shoe in her hand. So I granted it, knowing she just wanted me to pause the game so she could get fixed up and continue.

Her coach, almost predictably, started in on me from across the court with a hot, "I didn't call time out!" and I just pointed to her point guard, who was limping off the court. Things quieted down pretty quickly, though I'm sure the coach (and no doubt the fans behind me) still were pretty certain there should have been a "courtesy" time out.

I won't stop action for someone to tie shoe - but if I am administering for an inbound pass - I will hesitate if I see someone trying to tie their shoe. I'll do this for MS and even frosh games. However - I won't wait forever. They need to be quickly finishing up. If not, the ball goes to inbounder.

I've even had a JUCO coach ask for a courtesy TO for his point guard to tie shoe. Ya, that was gonna happen. After he asked again when I ignored him I told him that perhaps velcro might be a good idea for his point guard. Never heard from him again.

In a case like this, and especially with freshman, without stopping the game I usually tell the player that if I give her a TO, her team will be charged with it, and I then ask her if she still wants it.

That's just me though......

I am just amazed at the number of teenagers that are evidently unable to tie their own shoes properly. I see this must be a nationwide phenomenom.

... me, too, but they were up by 35 with about three minutes to go and she was having a really good game and the coach wasn't going to chew her out. I hear ya, JR.

I'll absolutely take time for someone to quickly tie their shoe if need be. Last thing I need is a parent or coach on me for not noticing an untied shoe and a player getting hurt.

If one player is tying, I'll have everyone check their shoes so we don't have to stop again at the next dead ball.

I think the skill of "shoe tying" went out a few yrs ago along with cursive writing!

I absolutely won't take time. Ever. Well, maybe for 6 year-olds.

Making sure that shoes are tied isn't part of our officiating duties. That's solely up to the player and I could care less what coaches or parents think. And there's no rules backing to stop the game for a displaced shoe, as there is for displaced glasses.

Has anyone ever seen a college game stopped for an untied shoelace or a displaced shoe? I sureasheck haven't.

I have to disagree completely with anyone advocating stopping the game for that reason. If they want to waste a TO to put their shoe back on, fine with me. But I ain't giving them a free timeout.

Stopping the game? I agree with JR

Delaying the resumption? I let them get the shoe tied, unless it becomes a problem, in which case I make them leave the game (only once -- when the player was trying to "ice" the FT shooter)

Delaying the resumption? I agree with Bob J.

That's what I meant by "taking time". My bad, should have worded that differently.

I still remember back in 6th grade cyo my friend's shoe kept coming untied. After about the fifth time the ref bent down and tied it. really funny

And my bad for misinterpreting your words also, I guess.

I won't stop the game for someone to tie or replace a shoe. I will hold up the game if time was already out for someone to do so though. That's what we train our officials to do and it's pretty much standard practice with the other associations in our general area afaik.

Had a guy last night get hit in his package as he was making an attempt. As he was still trying to remember how to breathe before his first free throw, I looked at his teammate and told him to tie both his shoes. He looked down and saw they were tied very tightly. Then he looked at his teammate and figured out why he needed to retie them. :)

That's consistent with what I do. I've never been told one way or the other, but it just seems like common sense to me.

Good advice as to how to handle for us newer guys.

And You're mentioning "consistent" brings up another good point imo.

If the officials in an area are taught to stop the game for shoes, and all of the officials are consistent in doing so..with the result that the players and coaches know what to expect...I don't have any problem at all with that.

It ain't that big a deal and you do have consistency in application.

Problems arise in some of these situations when some of our people do things one way and others do it a different way.

"It's not so important who starts the game but who finishes it."(John Wooden)
 

Didn't John Wooden teach his UCLA players how to tie their shoes?

I'm not sure about tying their shoes, but he did teach them how to put on their socks.

If I see someone who during a deadball has a shoe that is untied I will mention it to them.

I'd rather hold up the game for 6 seconds after letting someone know their shoes are untied than hold up that persons life for 6 months while they are in the hospital after tripping on a loose shoe lace.

I am from his area and I am a clinician for the state. I have never heard a single clinician or person that does any training to suggest stopping the game to have someone tie a shoe. If I observed someone doing so, I would wonder why. Players are responsible for their equipment to be on properly and stopping the game is not out job to make sure a player has things together. Of course I would give a player an opportunity to tie their shoe during a dead ball and before I put the ball in play, but I would not go looking to make sure someone had their shoes tied either.

Peace