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chseagle Mon Jan 11, 2010 08:04pm

What happened to the old trick of having the person that fouled raising their hand until the foul is reported?

Loudwhistle Mon Jan 11, 2010 09:55pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 650311)
What happened to the old trick of having the person that fouled raising their hand until the foul is reported?

This would require players actually believing they fouled while playing. The way some players react when I call a foul on them you'd think I accused them of being a serial killer or that they watch The Biggest Loser in their spare time!!

Rich Mon Jan 11, 2010 09:57pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 650311)
What happened to the old trick of having the person that fouled raising their hand until the foul is reported?

It disappeared in the 1970s.

chseagle Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:02pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle (Post 650337)
This would require players actually believing they fouled while playing. The way some players react when I call a foul on them you'd think I accused them of being a serial killer or that they watch The Biggest Loser in their spare time!!

Very true, considering I've seen a player foul then look at the reporting official with a deer-in-the-headlights look like they didn't do anything, or try arguing with the official (or the coach argues) that they didn't do anything wrong.

jdw3018 Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:04pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 650085)
Along that line, If I give up a foul on a double whistle and point to calling partner, on occasion partner will point back at me to take it, by that time, I've purged everything. Hasn't happened lately, but when it does, I don't like to look stoopid at table.

This is my Achilles heel as well. I can't tell you how many times, after giving up the foul, I instantly found myself hoping my partner didn't give it back as I'd lost the info.

My goal is to continue to grow my game management, and taking in more and more info is part of that for me. I now often can tell you who a partner called a foul on, if that is 3 or 4 on a player, how many of those I've called, etc...except when I give up a foul on a double whistle. Have to continue working on that one...

Adam Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 650338)
It disappeared in the 1970s.

Wasn't it still a rule in the 80's? I remember doing it when I played, but can't remember if it was still a rule or if it was still just part of the tradition.

26 Year Gap Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 650351)
Wasn't it still a rule in the 80's? I remember doing it when I played, but can't remember if it was still a rule or if it was still just part of the tradition.

I was a junior in the 73-74 season which was that last season where the fouling player had to raise his hand. The 74-75 season ushered in the 'feel good' era in which the rules committee did not want the offending person to 'feel guilty' by raising his hand. I continued to do so as a player. I detested political correctness even then.

Adam Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:15pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 650363)
I was a junior in the 73-74 season which was that last season where the fouling player had to raise his hand. The 74-75 season ushered in the 'feel good' era in which the rules committee did not want the offending person to 'feel guilty' by raising his hand. I continued to do so as a player. I detested political correctness even then.

As evidenced by the fact that they clung to half-court girls basketball until 1993, traditions tend to last a while in Iowa.

KJUmp Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 650311)
What happened to the old trick of having the person that fouled raising their hand until the foul is reported?

It hasn't been a rule at the HS level for 35 years.
Rule was rescinded by NFHS prior to the start of the 1974 season.

jdub Tue Jan 12, 2010 09:18am

Hate this so much I pregame it
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 650304)
Same thing here. I've purged the fouler, and I'm already trying to figure out who the foulee is in case we're shooting free throws.

I hate it when this happens, and had it happen a few times, so now I pregame it. I won't "give up" the call by pointing at my partner...we will pregame that someone "takes" it. IE, if the call is in their PCA, they will tap their chest/otherwise signal "I got this." If I think we have something different, we can take that extra second and I can jog over to discuss.

I've found that it helps tremendously, and especially on forgetting who the fouler was. I had the same problem, that I would instantly assume my partner had the call, and forget who the call was on. Bad news when partner did the same!

bob jenkins Tue Jan 12, 2010 09:52am

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 650342)
This is my Achilles heel as well. I can't tell you how many times, after giving up the foul, I instantly found myself hoping my partner didn't give it back as I'd lost the info.

Don't instantly give it up. Use it as an opportunity to confirm the call. Then, you;ll both have to get the numbers.

jdw3018 Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:12am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 650499)
Don't instantly give it up. Use it as an opportunity to confirm the call. Then, you;ll both have to get the numbers.

Good advice. I know what's happening - rather than focusing on the fouler/foulee "through and after" the play, I'm focusing on my partner and letting my focus wander.

Something good to work on tonight...along with a switch back to 2-man mechanics for the first time in three years...

bas2456 Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:34am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 650370)
As evidenced by the fact that they clung to half-court girls basketball until 1993, traditions tend to last a while in Iowa.

Halfcourt basketball? Seriously??

dsqrddgd909 Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:43am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 650518)
Halfcourt basketball? Seriously??

I know it was still the case in 1978. I dated a girl at college who was all-state in IA in 6-person. In our college intramurals, she had a great offensive game, but definitely struggled on defense.

26 Year Gap Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:57am

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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 650525)
I know it was still the case in 1978. I dated a girl at college who was all-state in IA in 6-person. In our college intramurals, she had a great offensive game, but definitely struggled on defense.

Was she related to Rick Mount?


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