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Time-out Debacle
Had a great VB game last night. With Team A down by 4, Team B has the ball in their front court, and is under pressure near the division line. I am trail, on the division line table side, and about 10 feet out on the floor to see the action right near the division line. B1 has possession of the ball, and I hear what I believe to be B's coach requesting a time out. I glance over to see B's coach, and he is in fact requesting a time-out, both visually and verbally. I blow my whistle to grant Team B a time-out. When I immediately hear an uproar in the rather crowded gym, and in the time it took me to glance at Team B's coach, B1 has committed a turnover, and A1 is now in player control. I sell it hard that B1 had possession when time-out was requested, and grant the time-out, and give the ball back to Team B.
A couple of questions about the situation. 1.) Was I, by rule, correct in what I did? Since B1 had control of the ball when time-out was requested, the time-out was granted and the ball given back to Team B. 2.) Could I have been in a better position to officiate this play and see the coach's request for time-out? |
My turn to answer this one. You answered your own question.B has possesion, you heard B's coach call timeout ,you glanced over over and seen it was team B's coach you blow your whistle and grant the timeout. In my book your good! W.W.D.D(What Would Diebler Do?)
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Don't sweat it. Let's say you don't look, you blow your whistle just as B1 jumps straight up and throws a rocket pass to B2 under the hoop for an easy 2. Now coach B is screaming "I didn't want a timeout!". You can't win 'em all. Still, it's another good example of why coaches shouldn't be able to call timeout, imo.
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Where was your partner? Didn't he see or hear the coach yelling for timeout? If you were at an angle to not see the bench for clarification he should have helped you out.
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2. Two things which could have been done: a. after seeing that the request is coming from the Head Coach, you could have turned your vision back to the game action and looked to see if his team still had control before blowing your whistle b. your partner may have had a clear view of both the action and the Head Coach, if so, then he could have granted the time-out request. |
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Not according to everybody else in the whole wide world.http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...oes-oob-5.html |
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These situations seem to happen somewhat frequently -- I witnessed a situation that was even worse than yours last week. As long as the HEAD COACH can request time outs, we will always have the situations that you describe. I think that conventional wisdom suggests that the calling official error on the side of NOT granting the time out UNTIL the calling official is sure that a PROPER REQUEST was made at a PROPER TIME AND was RECOGNIZED by the calling official at a PROPER TIME. The best advice I can give is to SELL THE HECK out of your call if a turnover happens between your recognition and the actual SOUNDING of your whistle. When you report the time out, you can include the explanation of "the player was in control when I recogmized the time out." Regardless what you call in this case, you are going to irritate 50% of the people in the gym. If you grant the timeout, the opposing team will be livid. If you fail to grant the time out ("coach, by the time I realized you wanted the time out, none of your players was in player control"), the requesting team will be livid. |
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Although I have heard officials say "Full timeout called by white coach", instead of "Full timeout requested by white coach granted". |
The worst thing that ever happened was allowing a coach to request a time-out from the bench. If I were king for a day, that is the first thing I would change.
A few years ago, I was working a lower level game with a relatively new official. He heard a loud male voice yelling "time-out" from the direction of the bench. Without turning to look, he blows the whistle to grant the request. Turns out the "request" actually came from the 3rd row of the stands behind the bench!!! Locally, this is how we handle it, which is essentially how it was handled by the OP. If I have my back to the team bench and hear what I believe to be a time-out request, I will immediately note the game situation (possession, etc.) then turn to the bench to verify the time-out request. If it is the head coach, I will grant the request "retro-active" to when it was heard. |
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2) You were in position to see...and call...what was happening on the floor in your area. What happens outside the boundary line is secondary. You can only do so much with TO requests, given the inherent flaw contained in allowing coaches to request TO's. If the occasional TO request gets screwed up because you didn't want to take your eyes off the play, oh well. Don't sweat it. You'll get yourself in deeper doo-doo if you're watching the sidelines while a dribbler is getting the snot kicked outa him. |
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I M O Too ...
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Anyways, I don't say that much... I say, for example: Time-out White, Coach (or whoever requested it), 30-second (or 60) [with signal], Spin it (while pointing at the table to start timing). |
Too Much Verbiage ...
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It's not, "I've got a foul on white thirty-two for a hold. Blue ball out of bounds on the side". Instead it should be, ""White. Thirty-two. Hold. Possession blue." As tjones1 posted, it's not, ""Full timeout requested by white coach granted." Instead it should be, "White Time. Coach. Thirty. Start the clock." |
More to the point, I like the FIBA rules better for timeouts. It gets rid of all these problems.
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Mark Dexter...now there's a name I haven't see on here in a while.
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The majority of what I've heard, is like what you posted. Some of the times, I've heard it this way: "Full (or 30-sec.) Timeout (with appropriate signal)White coach. start the clock (with signal)" |
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Who Remembers "Name That Tune" ???
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Or is it "Time (signal full or 30-sec.), white (signal who requested it), start (give start clock signal)?? |
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Me, "I've got, blue, 5, hold........" Trainer - :eek: "I've got? I've got? You've got nothing!" Lesson learned, day one! Quote:
PS - And yes, Billy, I remember Name That Tune! |
We just looked this up in the Official's Manual about 2 weeks ago. The correct TO reporting procedure is:
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I tend to verbalize some (can't get out of the habit of saying 'push' and sometimes 'block'), but others (like 'hold' and 'illegal use of the hands') I never say. I don't know why (other than I wouldn't ever say 'illegal use of hands' if I didn't have to). |
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Of course, I haven't reffed a game on the court in many years, so it's a bit moot at this point. |
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