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WhistlesAndStripes Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:08pm
And the third guy....
 
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647909)
Well then lets all do this, let us all try to convince the SEC or Big East to let any three of us work this game next year, and if the same situation happens, see if any of us as a crew has the guts to do what in some people's minds should have been done.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. However, I am going to side with this officiating crew before anything else.

Oh "icallfouls", I would be shocked if this crew faced penalties for the way the handled that situation. If they had not been calling fouls early, and this happened, then I might agree with you. But, this crew came out putting air in the whistle early and often, thus I do not think they will face penalties.
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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 647919)
johnsandlin

Please open your mind. I only said consequences. As far as we know it could be something as simple as double secret probation. But for sure there will be some discussion on the matter.

In most conferences, the assignors policy is that for any T foul called by the crew, the calling official is to inform the assignor directly within a certain time frame so that the assignor can have time to review it as necessary. They will discuss it and there will be a video review. The assignor will tell the official(s) personally as to what their opinion is. That will basically be it. However, if the SEC was responsible for providing the officials, lately they have taken to commenting in public on the actions of their officials.

I have a couple of friends that work a serious D1 schedule and have been told that things like this can affect league tournament placement, NIT, or NCAA tournament games.

Absolutely the big hitters get the benefit of the doubt, but no one is excused completely these days. Too many people want their pound of flesh.
...was Cahill, I believe.

johnSandlin Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:38pm
To those who think my previous comment was a BS cop-out...Why do you feel that way? My point is this.......I am not at all saying that just because this officiating crew consisted of some of the top officials in the country, that they are above the law to be disciplined. No one is in this business.

I was saying unless we were right there to hear them talk to each other about what they saw on the replay and then discuss with each other what they were going to do, then I think we cannot stand in judgment of their decision of the way they handled it.

I personally think some of my comments from earlier were taken out of context. If they were not explained better, then I am sorry for that.

Adam Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:40pm
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647938)
To those who think my previous comment was a BS cop-out...Why do you feel that way? My point is this.......I am not at all saying that just because this officiating crew consisted of some of the top officials in the country, that they are above the law to be disciplined. No one is in this business.

I was saying unless we were right there to hear them talk to each other about what they saw on the replay and then discuss with each other what they were going to do, then I think we cannot stand in judgment of their decision of the way they handled it.

I personally think some of my comments from earlier were taken out of context. If they were not explained better, then I am sorry for that.
So are you saying we don't have the right to state what we'd have called based on the video? That's how it's coming across.

Nevadaref Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:47pm
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
A Forearm to the head against a guy flat on the floor...
That move is completely legal ... in the UFC.

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 647927)
...was Cahill, I believe.
Tough week for him.

howie719 Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:58pm
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647938)
To those who think my previous comment was a BS cop-out...Why do you feel that way? My point is this.......I am not at all saying that just because this officiating crew consisted of some of the top officials in the country, that they are above the law to be disciplined. No one is in this business.

I was saying unless we were right there to hear them talk to each other about what they saw on the replay and then discuss with each other what they were going to do, then I think we cannot stand in judgment of their decision of the way they handled it.

I personally think some of my comments from earlier were taken out of context. If they were not explained better, then I am sorry for that.
My point is this....if this happend to any one of us, and real time is all you had....it would be difficult to get this perfect. Having said that we had several angels and slow motion. I can't see how you can come to the conclusion they did. Unless they don't have the replay we have. If that kind of a blow to the head doesn't warrant an ejection what does?

johnSandlin Sat Jan 02, 2010 08:00pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 647940)
So are you saying we don't have the right to state what we'd have called based on the video? That's how it's coming across.
No I am not saying that, I am saying that we do not have the right to judge the officiating crew. And in reading some of these posts, I think that is what is being done.

johnSandlin Sat Jan 02, 2010 08:02pm
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Originally Posted by howie719 (Post 647945)
My point is this....if this happend to any one of us, and real time is all you had....it would be difficult to get this perfect. Having said that we had several angels and slow motion. I can't see how you can come to the conclusion they did. Unless they don't have the replay we have. If that kind of a blow to the head doesn't warrant an ejection what does?
As odd as this may sound, they (officiating crews) sometimes do not have all of the angles the home viewing audience has.

Also, what else was Cahill involved with this past week?

Nevadaref Sat Jan 02, 2010 08:07pm
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647948)
Also, what else was Cahill involved with this past week?
http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...conn-game.html

canuckrefguy Sat Jan 02, 2010 08:09pm
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647948)
As odd as this may sound, they (officiating crews) sometimes do not have all of the angles the home viewing audience has.
The video obviously tipped them off that Cousins did SOMETHING - otherwise he would have gotten nothing. But he received a technical for SOMETHING. The video clearly must have shown the elbow, otherwise they wouldn't have had anything.

The question then becomes, by necessity, why was the forearm/elbow, which virtually everybody is saying was flagrant, not deemed as such?

Guys like Greene, Shows, and Cahill normally don't have one single problem making big calls, no matter what the situation. The question here is why they didn't toss Cousins for what was clearly an ejection-worthy, non-basketball play.

johnSandlin Sat Jan 02, 2010 08:12pm
And unless we can talk them or hear them talk through the media, all of us may never know the answer to that question.

Adam Sat Jan 02, 2010 09:46pm
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647947)
No I am not saying that, I am saying that we do not have the right to judge the officiating crew. And in reading some of these posts, I think that is what is being done.
How do you define passing judgment? I see people who think they should have called a flagrant; that's the opinions of the posters. Is that what you call passing judgment?

canuckrefguy Sat Jan 02, 2010 09:51pm
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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 647954)
And unless we can talk them or hear them talk through the media, all of us may never know the answer to that question.
Well then, I guess we just shouldn't discuss plays here at all :rolleyes:

johnSandlin Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:05pm
Thanks for posting the info on the Cinci/UCONN game. Did not see the game. And I guess we will agree to disagree on this play today.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 03, 2010 04:09am
Now that I've seen the game (before I opened this thread)....

When I saw the replay, I thought to myself that it "could" be considered flagrant but was perhaps just little enough that they may call it only a T (intentional T). It could have been called flagrant and I wouldn't have disagreed with it at all but I can also see how they felt it fell just a bit short of flagrent.

As for what was called that made it a dead ball....a held ball.

dahoopref Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:28am
As a result of this play, KY #15 shot 2 FTs and KY got the ball out of bounds on the baseline.

A total of 3 Ts were given out on this play. Whistle was blown for the jumpball and the ball is dead. After seeing his teammate get elbowed, Louisville #12 gets the first T (issued by Greene) for pulling KY #15 off the pile. Louisville #21 (the player involved with the jumpball and victim of elbow) got the 2nd T (issued by Shows) for shoving KY #15.

Only after the crew looks at the replay do they issue a T to KY #15.

1) My questions are why only 2 FTs were issued? Did the crew determine after the replay that KY #15 and L'ville #21 was a double T?

2) The T by L'ville #12 occurred after a dead ball which involved contact in a non-flagrant manner. Should play resume at the division line for KY on the throw-in?


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