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HoopsRefJunior Sat Jan 02, 2010 03:56pm

How far does an official run/walk during a typical game?
 
I assume this topic has been covered on here before, but I could not find evidence of the topic in a brief search of the forum....

Is there a study out there that reveals how far high school officials run/walk during a typical 32-minute game?

I'm sure there will be plenty of humorous responses, but I'd appreciate a legitimate response as well.

Happy New Year!!

Freddy Sat Jan 02, 2010 04:10pm

Pedometer Experiment
 
Two years ago I clipped one of those little pedometers discreetly to the inside of my waistband. If memory serves me correctly, each game resulted in about 5 miles. That seemed like a lot, I think because the meter registered steps and strides the same. So I think the result was too high.
Looking forward to other responses.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 02, 2010 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 647893)
If memory serves me correctly, each game resulted in about 5 miles.

iirc, thats about the same as some "study" published in refmag 7 or so years ago.

Freddy Sat Jan 02, 2010 05:45pm

Quantum Currit
 
All games snowed out here tonight :mad:, which gave me time to calculate:
At 20 seconds per possession a 32 minute game yields 96 possessions.
Going C to C, Trail to Lead, Lead to Trail requires a minimum of 42' on a standard sized high school court.
96 possessions x 42' = 3232'.
Which is why my previously reported five miles seemed to be awful high. Or maybe I had to cross the court far too often because partners at C and T failed to pick up on rotations. :D

Mark Padgett Sat Jan 02, 2010 06:03pm

Me? Walk 1/2 mile. Run 0. ;)

BillyMac Sat Jan 02, 2010 06:22pm

Slip sliding away, slip sliding away ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 647906)
All games snowed out here tonight :mad:, which gave me time to calculate: At 20 seconds per possession a 32 minute game yields 96 possessions. Going C to C, Trail to Lead, Lead to Trail requires a minimum of 42' on a standard sized high school court. 96 possessions x 42' = 3232'. Which is why my previously reported five miles seemed to be awful high. Or maybe I had to cross the court far too often because partners at C and T failed to pick up on rotations.

You should have just given me the numbers and I could have figured it out in a jiffy using my new slide rule. Now if I can only figure out where to purchase a pocket protector. I'll check out Staples' nerd department tomorrow.

Mark Padgett Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:19pm

BillyMac - loved your movie. :p

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Nevadaref Sat Jan 02, 2010 07:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 647906)
All games snowed out here tonight :mad:, which gave me time to calculate:
At 20 seconds per possession a 32 minute game yields 96 possessions.
Going C to C, Trail to Lead, Lead to Trail requires a minimum of 42' on a standard sized high school court.
96 possessions x 42' = 3232'.
Which is why my previously reported five miles seemed to be awful high. Or maybe I had to cross the court far too often because partners at C and T failed to pick up on rotations. :D

It can't be more than two or three miles. The court just isn't big enough for the number to come out higher than that.

Of course, there are many factors that impact this: is it an up and down game or a half-court affair, is there a shot clock, is it 2-man or 3-man, what kind of physical shape is the official in, etc.

26 Year Gap Sat Jan 02, 2010 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 647915)
You should have just given me the numbers and I could have figured it out in a jiffy using my new slide rule. Now if I can only figure out where to purchase a pocket protector. I'll check out Staples' nerd department tomorrow.

No need to go out.

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WhistlesAndStripes Sat Jan 02, 2010 09:41pm

This year I started training to run a marathon next summer. I have a Garmin Forerunner 305 that I use for running, with a foot pod so I can use it for running indoor on my treadmill. I have taken it out on the court with me a couple times, and I get between .85 and 1 mile per half, whether working 3 man mechanics or 2 man. The two man games I worked were Junior High Games. So, I'm getting about 1.75-2 miles per game.

I put the foot pod on my shoe, and just slip the watch piece that records all the data in my pocket.

Upward ref Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 647967)
This year I started training to run a marathon next summer. I have a Garmin Forerunner 305 that I use for running, with a foot pod so I can use it for running indoor on my treadmill. I have taken it out on the court with me a couple times, and I get between .85 and 1 mile per half, whether working 3 man mechanics or 2 man. The two man games I worked were Junior High Games. So, I'm getting about 1.75-2 miles per game.

I put the foot pod on my shoe, and just slip the watch piece that records all the data in my pocket.

I'm sure thats illegal equipment in some western states !:p

tomegun Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:03pm

If they ever produce enough, I'm going to get a Fitbit that will answer this question. It would be good to have it before the season is over, but I want it for other uses. The last time I checked, they were filling orders from November...of 2008!

CMHCoachNRef Sun Jan 03, 2010 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 647906)
All games snowed out here tonight :mad:, which gave me time to calculate:
At 20 seconds per possession a 32 minute game yields 96 possessions.
Going C to C, Trail to Lead, Lead to Trail requires a minimum of 42' on a standard sized high school court.
96 possessions x 42' = 3232'.
Which is why my previously reported five miles seemed to be awful high. Or maybe I had to cross the court far too often because partners at C and T failed to pick up on rotations. :D

Freddy,
I have modified your numbers a little bit. Typically, teams get about 2 possessions per minute of play meaning that there will be closer to 128 possessions in total. Plus, let's assume a 94 foot court (most of the HS gyms I work in are this length). If we assume that the trail works to the 28' line and that the lead works 4 feet beyond the baseline (oops, endline -- special for you Cobra), each trip is more like 70 feet -- 56 feet going C to C (94 feet - 38 feet). Further, assume the average referee (oops, I mean official -- ditto) makes one rotation every other possession (resulting in an additional 25 feet of movement). Then you have additional distance for each foul reported (let's say 10 fouls per referee) which means an additional 30 feet for each of the 30 total fouls called. Finally, you have about 8 time outs granted during the game in addition to the extra distance covered between quarters (about 50 feet per each time).

My math shows:
70 feet * 85 possessions (2/3 going L to T or vice versa) or 5950 feet +
56 feet * 43 possessions (1/3 going C to C) or 2408 feet +
9 feet * 85 possessions (2/3 going T to C or vice versa) + 765 feet +
20 feet * 43 possession (1/3 crossing lane as the lead) + 860 feet +
30 feet * 32 fouls or 960 feet +
50 feet * 12 timeouts/intermissions or 600 feet
for a total of about 2.19 miles or 11,543 feet

Obviously, 2-man requires more running each possession. Assuming HS JV, using the same floor and a 28 minute game, the numbers would be slightly different:
73 feet * 112 possessions or 8176 feet +
15 feet (more movement required to cover entire trail area) * 112 possessions or 1680 feet +
40 feet * 28 fouls or 1120 feet +
50 feet * 12 timeouts/intermissions or 600 feet
for a total of about 1.91 miles or 10074 feet.

These numbers seem to be closer to the 1.75 miles to 2.00 miles mentioned earlier. By contrast, a College Soccer Assistant Referee typically runs 3.2 to 3.6 miles in a 90 minute game. High level club soccer games result in similar numbers for both ARs and center referees.

grunewar Sun Jan 03, 2010 04:59pm

Good Luck with That!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 647967)
This year I started training to run a marathon next summer.

I quit running the real long distances many years ago... just as I started getting really friggin old! :(

Not enough time to train and I hurt too much.......... Hope you do well!

phansen Sun Jan 03, 2010 05:04pm

High School

I did the pedometer thing last year for a couple games and got between 4 and 5 miles. 18 minute halves. Not much difference between boys and girls games


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