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Counting
Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?
We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation. |
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Do you mean 5 second closely guarded or 5 second inbound? Doesn't matter, you physically count both.
Newbies - do you do the same with both 10 second counts (backcourt and FT)? |
A Different Jackson
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My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.
Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds. Is there a difference between silently and visibly? Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok? |
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5 and 10 second counts are visible. 3 second counts are invisible. I don't have my rule book with me, but this difference is spelled out. It might be in the mechanics book, I'm not sure. My turn to ask a question. Why do you ask? |
There is a difference between silently and visibly.
You can count silently in your head on the 3 sec. lane violation with no arm motion. All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent. Counting out loud on a throw-in would be a big advantage to the thrower-in. In my early years, a player asked if I could count out loud and I agreed to. I did not put the whistle in my mouth when counting and (you guessed it) I had a foul on the throw-in. By the time I got the whistle in and blew it the ball had advanced down the floor. Had to explain what happened. Never again! |
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Not trying to be difficult :) just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks! |
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Found One Citation
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It's also in the officials' manual. Mine is the IAABO book, but it's #10 under "General Position and Coverage Responsibilities," page 18.
"All situations that involve counting, except the three second rule, require the official to display a visual count." |
Thanks. Rough crowd here all of the time. Don't understand why everyone has to be such smart asses :)
Many of you are experts at what you do and if you did not know it, a lot of players, coaches and fans come to this site to read and learn. They don't have rule books or official's manuals and most will never have or see anything like. Happy Holidays! |
It appears to me that Johnny Ringo is not an official. I think that it is great that he is trying to learn why we do what we do. The more fans that become familiar with the rules will mean less comments from the crowd.
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I'm Sure Mark Padgett Has Some Extra ...
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"Happy Golden Days Of Yore" ...
Today, with every game, from third grade on up, being taped, in some cases on a mom's cell phone, we all must show these visible counts at all times. No more, "Oh, I forgot to start my ten second count, I guess that I'll pick it up at, oh, three", or, "Gee, he's been closely guarded for a second or so, so I guess I'll pick up my count at, oh, let's see, two", like in the olden days, not that I ever did anything like that.
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Thanks! |
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3 second count - Silent, not visible 5 second throw-in count - Silent, visible 5 second closely guarded - Silent, visible 10 second backcourt - Silent, visible 10 second free throw- Silent**, visible* * Done using a much more subtle visual count, usually a wrist flick ** Sometimes done so silently the official who is counting can't even hear it. It's just as well, he has lot of other stuff to worry about ;) I think this guy has a GREAT count mechanic! http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-bl.../the-count.jpg |
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Since we've always assumed you were an official, I don't think anyone is being a smartass when they want to know why you've taken a very basic aspect of officiating and not looked it up in the rule book or mechanics manual. Then, when you're given the rule and quote, you asked for it again. We assumed you are an official. Are we now to make another assumption about you based on having to give you the appropriate reference twice? :) |
No More "Picking Up" Counts For Me ...
Not that I ever engaged in such activity, but ...
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Now I would feel bad, but wouldn't be embarrassed, by such an incorrect call on a "bang bang" play like the one I described, but I would certainly be embarrassed if I made a crucial five second, or ten second call, and was later shown a video where I only made four, or nine, visible counts, where both the rulebook, and the manual, state that we are supposed to make such counts visible. |
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I wouldn't. The only way I can see that this could possibly be an issue would be on a closely guarded count. The others have a definite indication of when they should start, and if my visible count is a beat behind the count, I can't imagine that anybody would ever notice, and if they did, I can't see how they could make an argument out of it. |
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I always say when a person criticizes the mechanics, it's the same as saying "Good call." If they thought the call itself was bad, they would criticize that. Tell Ms. Johnson that the violation was for being closely guarded for 5 seconds, not for 5 arm swings, and if she says that anybody was watching that closely at the time, and was put at a disadvantage by the visible count being a second behind the actual count, tell her politely that it didn't happen. |
Mrs. Johnson you're a wearing your dresses way too high ..
... It's reported you've been drinking and a running round with men and goin' wild.
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Sound familiar? |
Same Old, Same Old ...
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Happy Holidays! |
Hey Billy,
Tell Ms. Johnson to keep the lens cap on, or completely off. |
I've Gotta Stop Doing That, It's Just That I Get So Excited ...
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