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[jdw3018]

Tough game. Glad you are ready to learn from it!

First, on the clock situation, some will day you have to have definite knowledge of the entire amount of time in order to take it off. Others will say that if you have definite knowledge of a portion of that time, to take that much off. I'm in the second group. If you know you got to two on your count, but may have gotten to three or four, take two seconds off. You have definite knowledge of that much time.

As for the disqualified player, I actually have no problem with you waiting for the dead ball, since the ball was to remain dead after the free throw. But very clear communication with the coaches and your partner after replacing the player would have been helpful here obviously.

And the appropriate procedure after a 5th foul is to notify the coach, then the timer for the 20-second interval, then the player.

Overall, sounds like a tough go of things, but I wouldn't beat yourself up over these two parts of the game too much. You learned a lot, and the biggest lesson is probably about game management and awareness. That would have solved a lot of your issues.

[offici88]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Tough game. Glad you are ready to learn from it!

First, on the clock situation, some will day you have to have definite knowledge of the entire amount of time in order to take it off. Others will say that if you have definite knowledge of a portion of that time, to take that much off. I'm in the second group. If you know you got to two on your count, but may have gotten to three or four, take two seconds off. You have definite knowledge of that much time.

Great advice. In the time between realizing that the clock didn't run and addressing the coach, I, myself, would choose a number of seconds that I was absolutely sure ran off the clock and sell him one it. It's definite knowledge if you make definite call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rsl

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At start of second half, throw-in goes into backcourt and within about two steps I call a quick hand check foul on the defense. As I report the foul, I check the clock and realize it never started. Since the ball went into the backcourt, I had started a ten second count, but in the process of getting the foul I can't remember what count I reached. Without definite knowledge, I don't take any time off. Defensive coach goes ballistic and says if I don't take time off I have to take away the foul, too...

Well, if you started a backcourt count then that means you have definite knowledge that at least 1 second should have come off the clock.

If you remember swinging your arm at least twice, then you know that 2 seconds should come off.

Originally Posted by rsl

Now both coaches are ticked. One thinks he should get another shot, the other knows he would have got the rebound and now doesn't get the ball. About two minutes later another player fouls out and the other coach refuses to provide a sub as a protest over the whole thing, so I have to T him up.

The T finally settles things down, and we ride out the last two minutes.
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Well, this is something that you did right, so not all was lost.