Throwing Out a Fan.....
 

I know many of us have T'd and or tossed coaches, but what about fans?

Article below reflects on UNC Coach having a fan removed for heckling. I've never seen that either.

Roy Williams kicks out heckling fan at the Dean Dome - The Dagger - NCAAB Blog - Yahoo! Sports

After reading the article & watching the video of the incident, it seems that the fan said something about the player that should not have been said.

Had an incident last year during a Girls' C-Squad game where a fan/parent of the visiting team was very vocal about the play on the court. He was continually yelling at the floor officials that their calls were wrong. One of those times he did use some not-so-appropriate language after a foul was called on his daughter. After the reporting official notified the table of the foul, the official turned to the visiting coach & said either you remove that fan, or your team forfeits the game. Game Management was brought in, as well as local police, since they were onsite, to escort him out of the gym & ultimately off of school grounds.

The reasoning behind getting the police involved in this instance was that he did not want to listen to the officials or the coach to leave. Crowd Control asked him to leave, he was being uncooperative. A school administrator was brought in with the same response, so the police officer was brought in as no other method was working to keep the situation under control.

Come to find out after the fact that the guy had a bit of a rap sheet, & he was arrested due to having a warrant out against him.

I have only ejected one fan in my life time and that was because they came onto the court to confront us. If they would have stayed in the stands nothing would have happened.

Peace

One problem. You can't do that.

Crowd Control? Isn't that you?

Had one fan removed. He was sitting in first row on sideline. He didn't liKe an OOB call and starting jumping up and down and yelling "bulls**t". Bleachers were too close to sidelines for me to ignore.

At that time, I was working as scoreboard/timer, so that was not my jurisdiction.

What caused the comment about remove or forfeit was due to what the guy said, the reporting official, as well as the table could hear him although he was 40-50 feet away. The home coach just sat there shaking his head at the comment, as the home coach heard it as well. Basically, the guy was, every other word, using expletives/colorful metaphors. Considering, he did call the one official a mf 2x dumb donkey.

What if they just ejected that player whose father was causing the problems?

When she fouled before the incident it was her 4th foul of the game.

Williams sounds like a whiny little baby. He had no business doing what he did. With his arm injury and losing out to some big recruits maybe he is feeling a little down. Of course how can one compete with Calirpari and his tactics ;)
I'm sure there will be lots of Duke fans who are going to get those Presbyterian shirts and have many chants ready when UNC comes to town.

This blog gives more details

Blogs - Fayobserver.com - Roy freaks out over heckler, asks everyone else to calm down

Nope. You can't punish a player because of a fan, even if that fan is the player's parent.

The only thing an official can do is go to game management and ask that the offender be removed. If game management can't (or won't) remedy the situation, suspend the game and head to the official's room. Then get on the horn with the assignor/supervisor/etc.

I was figuring that the player couldn't be punished for actions beyond their control. Just like, technically as everyone on here says, a coach can't be punished for the actions of spectators. Just wanted the clarification.

Really???
 

I did not realize that if I told this guy is going to go or we do not continue, I have no right to do that. Thanks for informing me of that fact. :rolleyes:

BTW I got there first; the school was going to take care of the situation too. ;)

Peace

going on the court kick them out.
racism or threats, drunk
But other than that I'm not kicking out fans and not for a one-time thing as well. They better earn it. Warn the admin people and if they keep it up then kick them out. Otherwise refs and coaches shouldn't be bothering with crowd control. Unless it is Disco Demolition Night in Chicago.

Fixed it for you.

I'll also admit a soft spot for Presbyterian College. They are one of the five smallest D-I schools in the country, recently jumped up to D-I, and a good friend of mine is on the baseball coaching staff there. The fact that Roy is annoyed at - or thinks his players can't take - a little crowd noise is embarrassing, IMO.

But you cannot do that remember. Someone said you have no authority. You must allow those things to continue in your games and you are powerless. ;)

Peace

There is a difference between suspending the game if a problem isn't taken care of, and telling a visiting head coach that his team will forfeit if one of their fans doesn't leave.

It wasn't the visiting head coach's problem to deal with...

that sounds like jedi talk to me. :rolleyes:


"But you cannot do that remember. Someone said you have no authority. You must allow those things to continue in your games and you are powerless. "

You missed the sarcasm. ;)

Peace

Alabama-Purdue
 

I was at the Alabama-Purdue game on Saturday night and after an OOB call in front of the students sitting on the endline, the official called a nearby police officer, pointed into the stands about 3 rows back, and had a fan removed from his seats. Several seconds later, the policeman came back and took 2 other fans in the front row, who showed their disgust by arguing with the officer and throwing their jackets into the stands in protest!

For all of you new officials, Rut has made a very good point. DO NOT worry about fans unless they come on the playing court or field or make a threat of physical violence against a participant (player, bench personnel, or game official) and when one of those two things happen, notify game management and let it handle the situation. Game officials should avoid any type of interaction with fans, have game management do its job.

MTD, Sr.

And if you are Roy Williams, you can eject a fan yourself. :D

Peace

Unless you are playing away at Michigan.

The few times I've felt the need to get anyone involved, I just go to game management and have them deal with it as they see fit. Whoever was in control of your facility shouldn't have waited for the officials to have to get involved.

I'll agree they were off base in threatening a forfeit.

Who said this? Just so you know, there is a rule which gives us (the officials) authority to call a technical on the team if their spectators get out of hand. It's to be used sparingly, and carefully, but it's there.

We had 2 gyms running simultaneously, in the other gym the game was Boys' V so more attention was there due to a bigger crowd. Up until then, the fan was being ignored or the coach would look back @ him & request/ask that he stop. The crowd control present @ time asked him to cease, in which he would for a short time. As soon as there was a call on the floor he didn't like, he'd start back up again. Most of his comments were "get glasses", "how could you call that when...", & other comments related to missed/botched calls. Nothing truly offensive or unwarrented.

What caused the floor officials to get involved was his one comment as it was loud enough for everyone to hear. He was asked to stop again & he was being overly defiant.

If all he's saying are the things you listed and similar, then I wouldn't have bothered with him.
That said, if GM (game management) asks him to stop, and he does "for a while" before starting up again, you've got to kick him out when he resumes. He's already been warned. That's completely separate, BTW, from whether or not he actually deserves it based on what was said.

From a Sports team POV, would you want your fan base to be kicked out of the arena for making generalized comments about the calls on the court/field/rink just cause of not agreeing with them?

I've worked crowd control for Football, Basketball, Hockey, & Wrestling, in all those times, we were told to only intervene when a complaint was made that was valid, or there was a chance of fans/participants getting hurt due to conduct. The only person really complaining was the coach. He was asked to tone it down, which he did but the understanding was also there that his daughter was a participant so due to an extenuating circumstance he was more involved as he had a vested interest in the game. The outbursts afterwards were not as vocal until his daughter got called for her 4th foul in which he thought was a BS Call & that's when he actually stepped into the boundary of being a hazard to the fans/participants.

The fan/parent was making generalized statements that anyone would of made, except that he was louder than most. He stayed in his seat the whole time up until he was told to leave. The floor officials were ignoring everything he was saying until the one call against his daughter, that he thought didn't happen. It wasn't till his comment that the floor officials even paid any attention to him.

Pretty sad that Williams would get someone removed for such a trivial thing, and kind of pathetic that security sheepishly did as King Williams ordered, even when the fan clearly had done nothing wrong.

I watched the video of the incident included in the article. Not only did event security get involved but so did Campus Police & State Police.

hope Williams is nice enough to apologize. "emotions, the game, yada yada I'm sorry for being such a baby."

Coaches who routinely drop f-bombs on referees like it is nothing and they have fans removed for saying something to their players...funny stuff.

I did leave it open-ended with loopholes possible that a coach could get T'd due to actions/comments from spectators.

Not the coach. Just the team.

Any idea(s) why the official was asking for the fan to be removed? I can see the removing of the other fans for the disorderly conduct.

That about sums it up.

I've had one time I talked to game management. I made them aware of the threats and they had the fan leave.

To sum things up as for Game Management at my alma mater, the primary crowd control is only the Principal, Asst. Principal, & AD. Other than that, the rest of the school staff are there as spectators & nothing more.

Some of the schools in my area, have actual security personnel that serve as crowd control during games, but unfortunately not all have that system in place.

Majority of the crowd control that occurs at my alma mater is done by a volunteer crew whose hands are tied due to rules/regulations.

As I see it, if you're school faculty & you're attending an event where your school is actively participating, you should treat the event like a regular school day & enforce the rules of the evnt.

Cheap Seats
 

No Idea...I was up in the cheap seats! I assume that he said something, because no one came onto the floor.

The last time I had a fan removed, the rest of the supporters for the same team cheered....they didn't like what the guy was doing either! :p