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referee99 Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:28am

Add a team technical?
 
Quick takes:

Bench personnel A9 leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.
Flagrant, disqualified, indirect on coach.
But, what if A9 has wrong number in book or not listed?

I don't, but does anyone have justification for a team technical?

Adam Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:30am

He must now be added to the book.

referee99 Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:39am

Any difference?
 
a) Bench personnel A9 (in uniform) leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.
b) Bench personnel A9 (not in uniform) leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.
c) Bench personnel A9 (team manager in sweater) leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.

Which would incur team technical for 'adding to book'?

tjones1 Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:40am

Wrong number or not listed it has to be corrected or added to charge A9 with the flagrant technical.

Therefore, provided they already have received a technical for 10-1-2 earlier in the game, charge them with a team technical for adding/changing A9.

tjones1 Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 641661)
a) Bench personnel A9 (in uniform) leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.
b) Bench personnel A9 (not in uniform) leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.
c) Bench personnel A9 (team manager in sweater) leaves the bench area when a fight may break out.

Which would incur team technical for 'adding to book'?

a)

A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

In b) and c) they are just bench personnel.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:03am

However, if the sweater the manager is wearing is really ugly, I might hit him with a flagrant T just for that :D

referee99 Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:20am

Team member/eligible forces entry in the book.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 641667)
a)

A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

In b) and c) they are just bench personnel.

So, team member in uniform, but wearing a cast. No T.
Team member on the bench, in uniform, ineligible due to grades/probation. No T.

Adam Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 641674)
So, team member in uniform, but wearing a cast. No T.
Team member on the bench, in uniform, ineligible due to grades/probation. No T.

If they're on the bench in uniform, they're eligible to play from my perspective. And if a player comes off with a cast to join fight, I have no problem doubling up that T. If they weren't going to play, they shouldn't have been on the bench in uniform. And if they keep their heads and stay out of the fight, I won't ever care.

tjones1 Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 641669)
However, if the sweater the manager is wearing is really ugly, I might hit him with a flagrant T just for that :D

Exactly!

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 641674)
So, team member in uniform, but wearing a cast. No T.
Team member on the bench, in uniform, ineligible due to grades/probation. No T.

More than likely in both of these situations neither will be in uniform.

Obviously, the cast we know he can't play. However, how are we to know a player is ineligible due to team policies?

Like I said, around my area, certainly if you have grades/other team violations you aren't dressing. The same can be said about if you are wearing a cast too.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 641674)
So, team member in uniform, but wearing a cast. No T.
Team member on the bench, in uniform, ineligible due to grades/probation. No T.

I don't get to determine eligibility, and eligibility issues are never brought to my attention. Even the guy with the cast is not ineligible to play afaik, he just cannot play with the cast on. Same reasoning as jewelry, etc.

just another ref Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:31pm

Is it against the rules to be in uniform and not be in the book if the kid was not supposed to play? This kid may have been sick or injured or academically ineligible. You can call a T on bench personnel without adding a number to the book.

Adam Fri Dec 11, 2009 01:26pm

You're right, but by participating in the fight, I'm going to make an assumption that he's a team member. Now that he's participated, I'm adding him to the book. You don't have to, but I will.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 11, 2009 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 641748)
You're right, but by participating in the fight, I'm going to make an assumption that he's a team member. Now that he's participated, I'm adding him to the book. You don't have to, but I will.

Based on what rule?


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