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bradfordwilkins Wed Dec 09, 2009 03:50pm

Time out between quarters?
 
Beginning of 4th quarter, calling both teams back to court. It is Team B's ball and we're getting ready to hand it in, waiting for Team A to finish their huddle. A few blows of the whistle and instructing coach and Team A to get on out.

Coach A responds "Time-out." (As in requesting a time-out). It is B's ball but we have not given it to B1 yet.

Is this possible? I can't think of any reason why not but also can't think of how it can be either. So obviously I'm missing something and that's where you all come in :-)

Adam Wed Dec 09, 2009 03:52pm

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 641085)
Beginning of 4th quarter, calling both teams back to court. It is Team B's ball and we're getting ready to hand it in, waiting for Team A to finish their huddle. A few blows of the whistle and instructing coach and Team A to get on out.

Coach A responds "Time-out." (As in requesting a time-out). It is B's ball but we have not given it to B1 yet.

Is this possible? I can't think of any reason why not but also can't think of how it can be either. So obviously I'm missing something and that's where you all come in :-)

There's your answer. When do the rules say a timeout may be granted? Does this situation qualify? Just because it's not the norm doesn't mean it's not legal.

bradfordwilkins Wed Dec 09, 2009 04:44pm

Right, we granted it and both kinda laughed racking our brains trying to think is there any reason we couldn't.

Once we handed the ball to B1, we know he couldn't -- but previous to that all signs say he can I guess ha.

Adam Wed Dec 09, 2009 04:48pm

Exactly.

chseagle Wed Dec 09, 2009 04:50pm

Concerning the intermission between quarters, when is the minute supposed to start?

When the teams are at their benches? When the buzzer sounds, ending the quarter?

I know when time-outs are called, the clock doesn't start until normally the teams are at their benches, as that's when the reporting official says to start the clock/timer.

Adam Wed Dec 09, 2009 04:53pm

Good question. Off the top of my head, I'd say treat it like a TO and start when the get to the benches. Only give them a reasonable amount of time, though; if B1 is lingering on the other side of the court flirting with a cheerleader, don't wait for her.

M&M Guy Wed Dec 09, 2009 05:20pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 641117)
...if B1 is lingering on the other side of the court flirting with a cheerleader, don't wait for her.

Or B1 for that matter.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 09, 2009 08:03pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 641115)
Concerning the intermission between quarters, when is the minute supposed to start?

As soon as the previous period ends.

Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 10, 2009 01:53am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 641156)
As soon as the previous period ends.

Not that I doubt you, but is there a citation on this?

Nevadaref Thu Dec 10, 2009 02:35am

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 641215)
Not that I doubt you, but is there a citation on this?

The main timing rule is 5-5-1, but the following play rulings clarify that the horn ends the period and that the intermission has begun.
Bob is fully correct.

10.4.1 SITUATION C: After the horn sounds to end the first half, A1 removes
his/her jersey near the team bench. RULING: A technical foul is charged to A1 and
an indirect technical foul is charged to the head coach; A1 is considered bench
personnel in this situation. (10-4-1h)

4.34.2 SITUATION: The horn sounds to end the third quarter. As the teams are
heading to their respective benches, team members A1 and B1 verbally taunt one
another. RULING: Double technical foul charged to A1 and B1. During the intermission
between quarters, all team members are bench personnel. Both head
coaches are indirectly charged with technical fouls and lose their coaching box privileges.
Play will resume at the point of interruption, which is an alternating-possession
arrow throw-in, to begin the fourth quarter. (10-4-1c Penalty; 10-5-1a)

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 4: The horn sounds to end the third quarter. As the teams are heading to their respective benches, team members A1 and B1 verbally taunt one another. RULING: Double technical foul charged to A1 and B1. During the intermission between quarters, all team members are bench personnel. Both head coaches are indirectly charged with technical fouls and lose their coaching box privileges. Play will resume at the point of interruption, which is an alternating-possession arrow throw-in to begin the fourth quarter. (4-34-2; 10-4-1c Penalty)

chseagle Thu Dec 10, 2009 02:56am

What I'll have to start doing then, is before the 1st game starts on Saturday is ask the Floor officials how they want it done so I can correspond with how they want things ran.

I have been doing the timing like how the timing was done for time-outs (reporting official waited for both teams to be in huddle & said to start), with no complaints.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641218)
The main timing rule is 5-5-1, but the following play rulings clarify that the horn ends the period and that the intermission has begun.
Bob is fully correct.

10.4.1 SITUATION C: After the horn sounds to end the first half, A1 removes
his/her jersey near the team bench. RULING: A technical foul is charged to A1 and
an indirect technical foul is charged to the head coach; A1 is considered bench
personnel in this situation. (10-4-1h)

4.34.2 SITUATION: The horn sounds to end the third quarter. As the teams are
heading to their respective benches, team members A1 and B1 verbally taunt one
another. RULING: Double technical foul charged to A1 and B1. During the intermission
between quarters, all team members are bench personnel. Both head
coaches are indirectly charged with technical fouls and lose their coaching box privileges.
Play will resume at the point of interruption, which is an alternating-possession
arrow throw-in, to begin the fourth quarter. (10-4-1c Penalty; 10-5-1a)

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 4: The horn sounds to end the third quarter. As the teams are heading to their respective benches, team members A1 and B1 verbally taunt one another. RULING: Double technical foul charged to A1 and B1. During the intermission between quarters, all team members are bench personnel. Both head coaches are indirectly charged with technical fouls and lose their coaching box privileges. Play will resume at the point of interruption, which is an alternating-possession arrow throw-in to begin the fourth quarter. (4-34-2; 10-4-1c Penalty)


Nevadaref Thu Dec 10, 2009 03:30am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 641219)
What I'll have to start doing then, is before the 1st game starts on Saturday is ask the Floor officials how they want it done so I can correspond with how they want things ran.

I have been doing the timing like how the timing was done for time-outs (reporting official waited for both teams to be in huddle & said to start), with no complaints.

Why would you ask the game officials how they want the clock run as opposed to simply following the rules as written in the book?

Of course, if you asked me, I'd tell you to start the intermission timer as soon as possible. The break between quarters is really a waste of time for the officials as we just stand there doing nothing, and an extra time-out for the teams. I would prefer playing two halves as some states are beginning to do. I hope that we will see a rules change in the near future making that national.

chseagle Thu Dec 10, 2009 03:35am

This way I get the clarification from them what the WIAA Regulation is. I realize after reading all the posts on here that the different state associations do have some rules variances, though most are word-for-word with NFHS.

Also so that I know that running on the same page as the floor officials. The coaches may not like it but c'est la vie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641220)
Why would you ask the game officials how they want the clock run as opposed to simply following the rules as written in the book?

Of course, if you asked me, I'd tell you to start the intermission timer as soon as possible. The break between quarters is really a waste of time for the officials as we just stand there doing nothing, and an extra time-out for the teams. I would prefer playing two halves as some states are beginning to do. I hope that we will see a rules change in the near future making that national.


Nevadaref Thu Dec 10, 2009 03:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 641221)
This way I get the clarification from them what the WIAA Regulation is. I realize after reading all the posts on here that the different state associations do have some rules variances, though most are word-for-word with NFHS.

Also so that I know that running on the same page as the floor officials. The coaches may not like it but c'est la vie.

I would caution you about believing that every official who walks through the doors of your facility knows the rules cold. Most are familiar with the basics, but struggle when it comes to the particulars.

You would be better off contacting the state rules interpreter or at least the interpreter for your local officials association. At least you will get a thoughtful response as opposed to an answer of "because that's the way that I want it."

chseagle Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641222)
I would caution you about believing that every official who walks through the doors of your facility knows the rules cold. Most are familiar with the basics, but struggle when it comes to the particulars.

You would be better off contacting the state rules interpreter or at least the interpreter for your local officials association. At least you will get a thoughtful response as opposed to an answer of "because that's the way that I want it."

I was just thinking of e-mailing the WIAA Administrator over basketball.


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