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jodibuck Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:49am

Time-Out area
 
One of the rule clarifications this season for NFHS games is the designation of the imaginary rectangle for time-outs. Last night, we had a team who rushed out on the court each time a time-out was called, and the coach conducted his time-outs outside the imaginary rectangle. I told him twice to move back closer to the bench area, and my partner went over and showed him where he could conduct his time-out huddles. It was obvious that this coach was not going to listen to the officials, and would conduct his time-outs where he wanted to. Is there any enforcement of this rule? It is not one of the four team warnings, so I would assume the only enforcement would be a technical foul. Any advice?

jdw3018 Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:27am

Where exactly on the court was he conducting his timeouts? The TO area is pretty large - a team has to really try to be outside it, IMO...

Nevadaref Wed Dec 09, 2009 07:52pm

Yep, this calls for a stern warning followed by a technical foul, if the coach refuses to respect the instruction.

jodibuck Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:51pm

This coach had his bench players run onto the court to greet the players. One of the huddles was actually in front of the scorers table. Three others were between the top of the key and the division line circle. The initial time I asked the coach to move closer to the bench area was when they included me in their huddle on a 30 second time out (In 2-person, I was standing on the front side of the division line circle).

bas2456 Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:04pm

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Originally Posted by jodibuck (Post 641174)
This coach had his bench players run onto the court to greet the players. One of the huddles was actually in front of the scorers table. Three others were between the top of the key and the division line circle. The initial time I asked the coach to move closer to the bench area was when they included me in their huddle on a 30 second time out (In 2-person, I was standing on the front side of the division line circle).

At least you knew what was coming...I always like to be included;)

j51969 Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:08pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641153)
Yep, this calls for a stern warning followed by a technical foul, if the coach refuses to respect the instruction.

Really? While I am measuring the width of the side panels on the teams uniforms I will be sure and mention it...HA HA

Nevadaref Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641181)
Really? While I am measuring the width of the side panels on the teams uniforms I will be sure and mention it...HA HA

So what do you recommend doing, after instructing the coach to have his team adhere to the rule and he totally ignores you?

I'm certainly not going to eat sh!t from him all night like you apparently will, junior. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...thumbsdown.gif

eyezen Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:17pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641181)
Really? While I am measuring the width of the side panels on the teams uniforms I will be sure and mention it...HA HA

There are things that can be looked the other way on and then things that need to be addressed. This would be the latter IMHO. Would it go so far as a T? Probably not unless the coach wanted it to, but it would be addressed. You can't have teams setting up shop in front of the table, period.

j51969 Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:24pm

So there just running around all crazy for 30 to 60 sec? My guess is this is being blown out of proportion. Or at the very least is an major exception the the rule as is usual on here. Got to get it to the nats' *** everytime. Good luck!

eyezen Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641189)
So there just running around all crazy for 30 to 60 sec? My guess is this is being blown out of proportion. Or at the very least is an major exception the the rule as is usual on here. Got to get it to the nats' *** everytime. Good luck!

:confused:

Nevadaref Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641189)
So there just running around all crazy for 30 to 60 sec? My guess is this is being blown out of proportion. Or at the very least is an major exception the the rule as is usual on here. Got to get it to the nats' *** everytime. Good luck!

Could someone please translate this into English?

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:13am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641192)
Could someone please translate this into English?

Not me. I'm with Nevada on this one, BTW.

muxbule Thu Dec 10, 2009 01:28am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641189)
So there just running around all crazy for 30 to 60 sec? My guess is this is being blown out of proportion. Or at the very least is an major exception the the rule as is usual on here. Got to get it to the nats' *** everytime. Good luck!

So you aren't on here to learn and I don't see your posts as trying to teach anyone so what is your point...Your signature line tells me all I need to know about you.

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:11am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641192)
Could someone please translate this into English?

Apparently you lack a sense of humor as well...you guys are way to deep and brilliant for me...sorry

I will hang up now

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:12am

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Originally Posted by muxbule (Post 641212)
So you aren't on here to learn and I don't see your posts as trying to teach anyone so what is your point...Your signature line tells me all I need to know about you.

I will change for you sense I have offened you delicate nature

bob jenkins Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:20am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641265)
I will hang up now

Quote:

Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641266)
I will change for you sense I have offened you delicate nature

Either way is fine. Your current actions aren't.

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:28am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 641183)
So what do you recommend doing, after instructing the coach to have his team adhere to the rule and he totally ignores you?

I'm certainly not going to eat sh!t from him all night like you apparently will, junior. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...thumbsdown.gif

My original post and I get called a junior. You guys are to much. I sincerely apologise to anyone and will contain any futher comments in a professional manner. I used some levity in my orignal comment and was apparently hammerd for it. My bad

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:35am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641269)
My original post and I get called a junior. You guys are to much. I sincerely apologise to anyone and will contain any futher comments in a professional manner. I used some levity in my orignal comment and was apparently hammerd for it. My bad

Don't take Nevada's posts too personally. He's been known to refer to people as cowards and tyrants.

His point is valid on this issue in particular, though. The rule is there for a reason, to keep the teams separated during their timeouts. If the coach is allowed to have his TO wherever he pleases outside the prescribed limits, then the officials aren't doing their jobs. You're paid to officiate the entire game, including during timeouts. Do you just let them linger for an extra five seconds after the 2nd horn of a TO? No.

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:38am

Your absolutely right...I had a few beers and posted to late at night:)

tomegun Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:52am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641273)
Your absolutely right...I had a few beers and posted to late at night:)

Blame it on the A-A-A-A-A-A-lcohol!

:D

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:57am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 641271)
Don't take Nevada's posts too personally. He's been known to refer to people as cowards and tyrants.

His point is valid on this issue in particular, though. The rule is there for a reason, to keep the teams separated during their timeouts. If the coach is allowed to have his TO wherever he pleases outside the prescribed limits, then the officials aren't doing their jobs. You're paid to officiate the entire game, including during timeouts. Do you just let them linger for an extra five seconds after the 2nd horn of a TO? No.

As a Soldier in the Army I spend long periods away from home. I am in horrible place, and asked at times to possibly due equally horrible things. Having said that I use officiating as a way to decompress. Equally I play the devils advocate and maybe have a misplace sense of humor. When I apologised I was sincere. I will take nothing personnally, either here or on the basketball court. I actually enjoy the banter with players, coaches, and the occasional fan.

grunewar Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:07am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641282)
As a Soldier in the Army I spend long periods away from home. I am in horrible place, and asked at times to possibly due equally horrible things. Having said that I use officiating as a way to decompress. Equally I play the devils advocate and maybe have a misplace sense of humor. When I apologised I was sincere. I will take nothing personnally, either here or on the basketball court. I actually enjoy the banter with players, coaches, and the occasional fan.

As other posts have said in this and other threads - take it as you wish and don't be overly sensitive.

I have been in heated discussions here too - and have learned to move on. It's ok to be passionate about a position, call, interpretation or whatever. However, sometimes I too don't write properly (emails too), my humor or sarcasm gets misinterpreted, emphasis is misplaced, etc. You've apologized and are sincere. Good for you!

On a side note - as a reitred Soldier - thank you for your service and be safe!

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:11am

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 641279)
Blame it on the A-A-A-A-A-A-lcohol!

:D

Sam Adams Winter Yummy. I was at Ft Devens in Boston, MA and toured the brewery!

Camron Rust Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:34am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641265)
Apparently you lack a sense of humor as well...you guys are way to deep and brilliant for me...sorry

I will hang up now

No, you grammar was so pathetic no one could tell what you were even trying to say without extra effort.

You said...
So there [they're] just running around all crazy for 30 to 60 sec? My guess is this is being blown out of proportion. Or at the very least is an major [a, not an] exception the the [double word] rule as is usual on here [I have no idea what this has to do with anything...unless you put it with the previous sentence]. Got to get it to the nats' *** everytime [what?]. Good luck!
Your other posts were not much, if any, better. Is English a second language for you?

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 641309)
No, you grammar was so pathetic no one could tell what you were even trying to say without extra effort.

You said...
So there [they're] just running around all crazy for 30 to 60 sec? My guess is this is being blown out of proportion. Or at the very least is an major [a, not an] exception the the [double word] rule as is usual on here [I have no idea what this has to do with anything...unless you put it with the previous sentence]. Got to get it to the nats' *** everytime [what?]. Good luck!
Your other posts were not much, if any, better. Is English a second language for you?

Thankks 4 the gramer lezzon....kan eye kount on u to interprt fro mi in the futeru. I am in the Arrmy, I kneed tha hellp.

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:46am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641315)
Thankks 4 the gramer lezzon....kan eye kount on u to interprt fro mi in the futeru. I am in the Arrmy, I kneed tha hellp.

Man, you're killing me. I'm USAF and this is almost too much temptation.

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 641316)
Man, you're killing me. I'm USAF and this is almost too much temptation.

You guys get all the hot chicks! I always wanted to be maverick...

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:52am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641318)
You guys get all the hot chicks! I always wanted to be maverick...

Not sure if you're trying to push the buttons or not, but come one man; Maverick was Navy.

j51969 Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:54am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 641320)
Not sure if you're trying to push the buttons or not, but come one man; Maverick was Navy.

Again my sense of humor denied. I was not pushing your buttons....;)

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:55am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641321)
Again my sense of humor denied. I was not pushing your buttons....;)

I was with you.

rockyroad Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 641268)
Either way is fine. Your current actions aren't.

So his actions aren't OK, but another poster calling him a name (which comes from that person a lot) IS OK?

Come on, Bob.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 641325)
So his actions aren't OK, but another poster calling him a name (which comes from that person a lot) IS OK?

Come on, Bob.

This isn't about "another poster".

Come on, Rocky -- that's something I usually hear from children.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641315)
Thankks 4 the gramer lezzon....kan eye kount on u to interprt fro mi in the futeru. I am in the Arrmy, I kneed tha hellp.

While some of us can go overboard on being "grammar nazis", I agree that the post that Camron quoted was all but incomprehensible. A few minutes spent trying to communicate properly will go along way in how you are perceived here (and elsewhere).

And, to be clear, the same message could (and should) be deivered to other posters.

tjones1 Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:32pm

Seems like a small problem that could flower into a big one but I highly doubt it will...

"Coach, could you please help me out and get your team in your time-out area..... thanks."

Or did I miss something?

rockyroad Thu Dec 10, 2009 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 641327)
This isn't about "another poster".

Come on, Rocky -- that's something I usually hear from children.

That's funny, Bob...only problem is that the kids are usually right. You are treating some people different and they point that out. You don't like it? Then either tell everyone to act the same way or don't tell anyone to act a certain way.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 10, 2009 02:00pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 641349)
That's funny, Bob...only problem is that the kids are usually right. You are treating some people different and they point that out. You don't like it? Then either tell everyone to act the same way or don't tell anyone to act a certain way.

Oklay -- knock it off.

rockyroad Thu Dec 10, 2009 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 641376)
Oklay -- knock it off.

Sure.

No problem.

Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 10, 2009 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 641315)
Thankks 4 the gramer lezzon....kan eye kount on u to interprt fro mi in the futeru. I am in the Arrmy, I kneed tha hellp.

This gets my vote for post of the week! :D

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 03:42pm

I need to try harder.

Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 641423)
I need to try harder.

It would help if you looked more like Maverick :p

Adam Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 641440)
It would help if you looked more like Maverick :p

"I want the truth!"

Crap, wrong short-guy-in-the-navy movie.


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