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Originally Posted by Illini_Ref (Post 640089)

I know what the rule is. However, it also doesn't say that FIVE players have to return to the floor.

Becasue if it did, someone like you would point out that the rule couldn't be followed if the team didn't have five players. Lah me.

Each rule is written assuming "nothing else" happened. And, since another rule requires 5 players, the "nothing else" in this case is 5 players.

Sometimes, you just need to referee.

Now, Either Of Us Can Toss ...

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 640095)

Sometimes, you just need to referee.

Unless you're the umpire, in which case, sometimes you just need to umpire.

This conversation has really taken a turn for the bizarre. While we're at it, we need to consider the possibility of the rapture happening, that during the time out suddenly all but four eligible players are taken to heaven. The head coach, without question, would be left behind ;)

From NFHS 6-1-2 NOTE, "Any rules statement is made on the assumption that no infraction is involved unless mentioned or implied. If such infraction occurs, the rule governing it is followed."

Enforce the rules as written, without reading weird, wild, wacky stuff into them. If weird, wild, wacky stuff does happen, then deal with that when it arises.

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 639897)

Not sure I agree it's a technical foul immediately once the officials notice there are only 4 players. I think once the 5th returns that's when you can say that they all didn't return at approximately the same time. Without the 5th returning, who is to say that they didn't all return at the same time? Following the time-out, maybe they only had 4 players available to play. How are we to know? If it's charged immediately once the officials notice there are only 4 players, why did they offer the piece of information in red in the case play?

DELAYING RETURN FOLLOWING TIME-OUT
10.1.9 SITUATION: Following a charged time-out Team B is still with their
coach on the sideline when the official sounds the whistle to indicate play will
resume. Four players of B return to the court just in time to play defense as A1
attempts an unsuccessful three-pointer. B1 rebounds and throws a long pass to
B5 who enters the court just in time to catch the pass. RULING: A technical foul is immediately charged to Team B for failing to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission. While it is true the entire team may be off the court while the procedure is being used, once a team responds, all players must enter the court at approximately the same time.

Exactly....not T as long as long as the fifth doesn't return. The "immediately" is upon the ruturn of B5. Not immediately upon the official noticing only 4.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 640315)

Exactly....not T as long as long as the fifth doesn't return. The "immediately" is upon the ruturn of B5. Not immediately upon the official noticing only 4.

Disagree 100% as would anyone well-versed in English grammar.