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BballTip Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:15pm

Backcourt or No?
 
Shot goes up from A2.

Long rebound...Ball deflects off A3's hand at top of key. A4 grabs ball with one foot in frontcourt and one foot in backcourt.

Is this a violation?

I know there is no backcourt violation on a rebound becasue there is no team control, however since the ball was deflected off A3, does that mean the rebounding action is over or does the provision stand until control is secured?

mbyron Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:21pm

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Originally Posted by BballTip (Post 639440)
I know there is no backcourt violation on a rebound becasue there is no team control, however since the ball was deflected off A3, does that mean the rebounding action is over or does the provision stand until control is secured?

You can answer your own question: did A3's touch secure team control?

eyezen Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:21pm

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Originally Posted by BballTip (Post 639440)
Shot goes up from A2.

Long rebound...Ball deflects off A3's hand at top of key. A4 grabs ball with one foot in frontcourt and one foot in backcourt.

Is this a violation?

I know there is no backcourt violation on a rebound becasue there is no team control, however since the ball was deflected off A3, does that mean the rebounding action is over or does the provision stand until control is secured?

The latter, "rebounding action" has no bearing.

tjones1 Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:22pm

Deflecting off A3's does not establish team control for A. So to answer your question it "stands" until a team gains control.

If A4 was straddling the division line when he caught the ball (gained control) then it's nothing.

If A4 had one foot in the front court and the other in the air when he gained control then the foot that was in the air came down in the backcourt... then that would be a violation.

Adam Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:33pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 639443)
The latter, "rebounding action" has no bearing.

Strike one.

just having fun.

Once the shot was released, team control ended. When, in the OP, was it established again?

Adam Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:35pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 639444)
Deflecting off A3's does not establish team control for A. So to answer your question it "stands" until a team gains control.

If A4 was straddling the division line when he caught the ball (gained control) then it's nothing.

If A4 had one foot in the front court and the other in the air when he gained control then the foot that was in the air came down in the backcourt... then that would be a violation.

And, incidentally, if A1 caught the ball while airborne with FC status, then landed in the BC, it would be a violation. The exception does not apply during a rebound.

Also, if B1 caught the ball while airborne coming from the other direction, it would also be a violation when he lands.

offici88 Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:35pm

I see/call this every year and the coach goes nuts. When a player comes down with the ball and one foot in the front court before the second foot in the back court, the pivot foot has been established and the violation must be called.

For some reason coaches believe the player has the chance to come down with the long rebound without regard to the mic-court line.

We'll see if this year is different...will probably see it tonight in my GV game.

tjones1 Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 639453)
Also, if B1 caught the ball while airborne coming from the other direction, it would also be a violation when he lands.

I'd like to see it. ;) :D

Adam Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 639458)
I'd like to see it. ;) :D

It could happen. :)

tjones1 Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 639459)
It could happen. :)

Very true...

Ahhh, I can see it now.... that explaination coming with a side of Whack! :p

Adam Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 639463)
Very true...

Ahhh, I can see it now.... that explaination coming with a side of Whack! :p

Best of both worlds. :)

Nevadaref Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:47pm

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Originally Posted by offici88 (Post 639455)
I see/call this every year and the coach goes nuts. When a player comes down with the ball and one foot in the front court before the second foot in the back court, the pivot foot has been established and the violation must be called.

For some reason coaches believe the player has the chance to come down with the long rebound without regard to the mic-court line.

We'll see if this year is different...will probably see it tonight in my GV game.

Coaches think that way because a player is allowed to do that when receiving a throw-in, making a defensive steal, or securing a jump ball. They don't make the distinction that a player is specifically granted an exception during those actions, but not in this one.

I've never understood why the NFHS treats the situation with a long rebound differently because it is just another situation in which there is no team control before the airborne player secures the ball. However, the NFHS has made it clear over the past couple of years that there is no exception granted for securing a rebound and landing in the backcourt. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

Adam Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:52pm

I agree, Nevada. Before they clarified, I assumed it was intended for all situations in which team control was initially attained by an airborne player.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 639469)
I agree, Nevada. Before they clarified, I assumed it was intended for all situations in which team control was initially attained by an airborne player.

Me too.

showbo Thu Dec 03, 2009 06:23pm

Simply, no.

From reading your post, a simple deflection off of a players hand does not mandate team control, therefore, there is no back court violation.

Oscar


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