What do I do?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Because it is possible that they didn't bother to clear it with the state association or league office.
If I were one of the Us, then I would inform the R and let him deal with it.
If I were the R, then I would ask the home school if they received documentation or permission from the state office for their "black-out" game.

As officials we don't write the rules, we simply enforce them and we don't have the authority to grant exceptions or set them aside.

We've been down this road before. Take me to the woodshed. Game on, and I'm not reporting it. I can't even fathom any assignor in the Chicago area that would disagree with me.

I understand your reasoning, it just doesn't apply in this situation IMHO. I may point out to home school, as you mentioned, but would never ask for documentation. Seriously, I'd be laughed out the Chicagoland area.

Why do I picture some Nazi border agent saying " Papers Pleez"

[BayStateRef]

A buddy of mine likes to tell this story. During pre-game warm-ups, he sees that one team has undershirts that do not match their game jerseys. He goes to the coach of the other team and asks if he is OK with this. The coach says, "So are we going to enforce some of the rules tonight, or all of them?"

The NFHS has made a push that officials are to enforce the rules. And every month or so, there is some thread where officials here make the case why they will not enforce thus and such a rule. If "home team wears white" is an option that can be decided between the coaches, then let the rule say so. Otherwise, I enforce the rules.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

A buddy of mine likes to tell this story. During pre-game warm-ups, he sees that one team has undershirts that do not match their game jerseys. He goes to the coach of the other team and asks if he is OK with this. The coach says, "So are we going to enforce some of the rules tonight, or all of them?"

So when that coach gets whacked when he's 2 inches out of the box he shouldn't be surprised.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

We've been down this road before. Take me to the woodshed. Game on, and I'm not reporting it. I can't even fathom any assignor in the Chicago area that would disagree with me.

I understand your reasoning, it just doesn't apply in this situation IMHO. I may point out to home school, as you mentioned, but would never ask for documentation. Seriously, I'd be laughed out the Chicagoland area.

Why do I picture some Nazi border agent saying " Papers Pleez"

Isn't your state the one where the team was penalized for wearing illegal jerseys in the State Semi-final game? Didn't they claim that they had worn them all year and no official had said anything to them? Didn't Marty Hickman give an interview in which he essentially said, "too bad, penalize them, the officials need to do their job"?

Well, now we know who one of those officials was who didn't say anything about the illegal jerseys all year. I'll also wager that you didn't get to work at the State Tournament.

Out here, if you want to work come tournament time, then you had better do things by the book.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Isn't your state the one where the team was penalized for wearing illegal jerseys in the State Semi-final game? Didn't they claim that they had worn them all year and no official had said anything to them? Didn't Marty Hickman give an interview in which he essentially said, "too bad, penalize them, the officials need to do their job"?

Well, now we know who one of those officials was who didn't say anything about the illegal jerseys all year. I'll also wager that you didn't get to work at the State Tournament.

Out here, if you want to work come tournament time, then you had better do things by the book.

It's a 'bridge too far' trying to connect illegal jerseys with wearing away jerseys agreed upon by both schools prior to the game. As an above poster mentioned, are you penalizing a coach for being two inches out of the coaching box?

And the amount you care to wager? Christmas is right around the corner and I could use the extra change.

FYI , officials who didn't say anything regarding illegal jerseys worked the state final.

That said, I do enforce illegal jersey rules and also home and away color rule but not in this circumstance.

What's your position on lower level HS games in inner city schools( of which we have many in the Chicago area) that may have uniform issues due to lack of funding?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fullor30

And the amount you care to wager? Christmas is right around the corner and I could use the extra change.

By "State Tournament" Nevada means what we would call "State Finals."

FYI , officials who didn't say anything regarding illegal jerseys worked the state final.

I suspect it would be different this year.

What's your position on lower level HS games in inner city schools( of which we have many in the Chicago area) that may have uniform issues due to funding?

The uniform rule specifically does not apply to lower level games in IL.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

By "State Tournament" Nevada means what we would call "State Finals."



I suspect it would be different this year.



The uniform rule specifically does not apply to lower level games in IL.

1) Nevada likes to deal in semantics, which I can appreciate, let's let Nevada say what he means.

2) Agreed.

3) I'm aware of that. Leading to what his State does out there.

[tomegun]

So did you work the state finals last year? Bob is right - out here in Nevada, working the state tournament means the games between the final four teams in every class.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tomegun

So did you work the state finals last year? Bob is right - out here in Nevada, working the state tournament means the games between the final four teams in every class.

No, I did not work the state finals. The question was state tournament which is different in Illinois.

Bob is always right!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Isn't your state the one where the team was penalized for wearing illegal jerseys in the State Semi-final game? Didn't they claim that they had worn them all year and no official had said anything to them? Didn't Marty Hickman give an interview in which he essentially said, "too bad, penalize them, the officials need to do their job"?

Well, now we know who one of those officials was who didn't say anything about the illegal jerseys all year. I'll also wager that you didn't get to work at the State Tournament.

Out here, if you want to work come tournament time, then you had better do things by the book.

It's a 'bridge too far' trying to connect illegal jerseys with wearing away jerseys agreed upon by both schools prior to the game. As an above poster mentioned, are you penalizing a coach for being two inches out of the coaching box?

And the amount you care to wager? Christmas is right around the corner and I could use the extra change.

FYI , officials who didn't say anything regarding illegal jerseys worked the state final.

That said, I do enforce illegal jersey rules and also home and away color rule but not in this circumstance.

What's your position on lower level HS games in inner city schools( of which we have many in the Chicago area) that may have uniform issues do to funding?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It's a 'bridge too far' trying to connect illegal jerseys with wearing away jerseys agreed upon by both schools prior to the game. As an above poster mentioned, are you penalizing a coach for being two inches out of the coaching box?

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What if one team was wearing illegal jerseys but the other team's HC "agreed" that it was alright? What if both teams are wearing illegal jerseys but both HC's "cleared it" with each other?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What if one team was wearing illegal jerseys but the other team's HC "agreed" that it was alright? What if both teams are wearing illegal jerseys but both HC's "cleared it" with each other?

No and no as you posed it.

Regarding the particular event that was agreed upon for blackout night in OP, I'd stay mum, unless my R wanted to enforce it. It's just my philosophy to be more of a spirit of the rule official. I have no problem with anyone enforcing the rules.



Can you imagine a cancer awareness night and pink uniforms are worn(hopefully a girls game!) and coaches say they cleared it with the state, yet I demand to see documentation?

Funny thing is I typically do everything by the book or at least try to. From my experience, there are exceptions from time to time.

I enjoy different philosophies and opinions here as it tends hopefully to make us all better officials and I learn from everyone.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

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Can you imagine a cancer awareness night and pink uniforms are worn(hopefully a girls game!) and coaches say they cleared it with the state, yet I demand to see documentation?

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The Virginia High School League addresses this every year in the mandatory state clinics. As long as both coaches are aware and approve there is no problem. This includes the use of pink basketballs (which I have never seen).