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todd66 Mon Nov 30, 2009 04:25pm

Head coach and captains meetings
 
NFHS rules: Is the Head Coach required to attend the captain's meeting? If he/she does not attend and sends an assistant coach, the head coach forfeits the right to the coaches box to that assistant? I believe they changed this a few years ago but can not find it in my old information.:confused:

Adam Mon Nov 30, 2009 04:28pm

State by state on this one, I believe.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 30, 2009 04:37pm

"Hello, coaches. My name is Skippy and this is my partner, Sparky. We'll be the ones issuing the technicals tonight. Now, who wants to buy foul insurance?"

todd66 Mon Nov 30, 2009 04:45pm

This would be in Illinois.

Adam Mon Nov 30, 2009 04:55pm

Since Mark officiates in Neverland (where he is known as Captain Hook), I wouldn't worry too much about his response. I'll just say that in CO and IA (the two states where I have first hand experience), there are separate meetings for coaches and captains. As far as I know, there are no punishments for a coach who sends an assistant. We just grab the HCs and have our little pow wow and move on. I've never had a coach not want to come, it's just expected.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 638751)
Since Mark officiates in Neverland (where he is known as Captain Hook)...

Just wait until I get my hands, er, hand, on you, Tinkerbell! AAARRRGGGGHH! :eek:

tjones1 Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by todd66 (Post 638739)
NFHS rules: Is the Head Coach required to attend the captain's meeting? If he/she does not attend and sends an assistant coach, the head coach forfeits the right to the coaches box to that assistant? I believe they changed this a few years ago but can not find it in my old information.:confused:

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Originally Posted by todd66 (Post 638746)
This would be in Illinois.

I am not aware of any such rule.

Regardless, he certainly wouldn't "forfeit" it to that assitant. Only the Head Coach is allowed to be in the box.

In my area, this isn't an issue as the Head Coach always attends the meeting.

Nevadaref Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:29pm

The coaching box is a state issue. The pregame meeting is also a state association issue. There is only a provision in the NFHS rules book to meet with the head coaches, I don't know of anything requiring the referee to meet with the captains prior to the game. So the states are free to handle this issue as they please.

In my state we have a brief chat with the captains to say hello and not much else, then go over and introduce ourselves to each head coach separately and confirm that the uniforms are legal and that sporting behavior will be displayed.

j51969 Mon Nov 30, 2009 06:03pm

This has been and always will be pointless:rolleyes:

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 30, 2009 06:13pm

Around these parts, we've been told that if the head coach cannot be bothered to attend the c/c meeting and sends his assistant, the assist will be recognized as the head coach for the game. Think of it as a field promotion. ;)

tomegun Mon Nov 30, 2009 06:42pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 638759)
The coaching box is a state issue. The pregame meeting is also a state association issue. There is only a provision in the NFHS rules book to meet with the head coaches, I don't know of anything requiring the referee to meet with the captains prior to the game. So the states are free to handle this issue as they please.

In my state we have a brief chat with the captains to say hello and not much else, then go over and introduce ourselves to each head coach separately and confirm that the uniforms are legal and that sporting behavior will be displayed.

I'm going to attempt to change this, in the games I'm the R anyway. I didn't like it at first, but I like meeting with both coaches and game admin because...

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 638767)
This has been and always will be pointless:rolleyes:

I want to let the coaches know we will answer questions a) when we can, game permitting and b) when the official in question gets back around in front of them in the natural flow of the game. I also (gently) let them know we will answer questions and not comments.

It is the closest thing they will get to a warning from me.

bigbeardedbryan Mon Nov 30, 2009 08:48pm

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Originally Posted by todd66 (Post 638739)
NFHS rules: Is the Head Coach required to attend the captain's meeting? If he/she does not attend and sends an assistant coach, the head coach forfeits the right to the coaches box to that assistant? I believe they changed this a few years ago but can not find it in my old information.:confused:

In PA, the head coach is required to attend the captain's meeting, and we have been instructed that we are to ensure he or she does attend so that we do not have to explain that the assistant who did attend is the head coach for the night.

This is, of course, coming from the PIAA, which insists that during your head coach and captain meeting, you read their Sportsmanship Statement verbatim from a provided card. Our district interpreter has made it clear that anyone memorizing all four sentences and not producing said card at the meeting will be penalized in evaluations. One of my favorite partners leaves reading glasses at the scorer's table expressly for this purpose. :rolleyes:

BillyMac Mon Nov 30, 2009 09:06pm

Here In The Land Of Steady Habits ...
 
Coaches and captains meeting at 5:00: Players properly equipped, Players wearing uniforms properly, Practice good sportsmanship, Adhere to the restrictions, as well as the privileges, of the coaching box.

Captains-Head Coaches-Officials pre-game meeting should occur from 5 to 10 minutes prior to start of game. If the head coach refuses to attend the meeting, notify Board Secretary or Commissioner, who will notify the school Athletic Director and CIAC.

We have a few head coaches who would rather eat glass than talk, rather than yell, to officials face to face. It's a power trip for them to not participate.

j51969 Mon Nov 30, 2009 09:51pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 638795)
We have a few head coaches who would rather eat glass than talk, rather than yell, to officials face to face. It's a power trip for them to not participate.


Perfect and accurate example why this is a waste of time. Feel free to remind him or her as your whackin them about the 2min heart to heart you had with them earlier. You will get more done in the relm of game management during time-outs and dead balls then you ever will during a pre-game meeting. And seventeen year old is looking for his girlfriend or parents the whole time.:)

bob jenkins Tue Dec 01, 2009 09:21am

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Originally Posted by todd66 (Post 638739)
NFHS rules: Is the Head Coach required to attend the captain's meeting? If he/she does not attend and sends an assistant coach, the head coach forfeits the right to the coaches box to that assistant? I believe they changed this a few years ago but can not find it in my old information.:confused:

In IL -- only the head coach can answer the "is everyone legally and properly equipped?" question.

If the head coach is available (read: on the floor), s/he must attend the meeting. If s/he refuses, write a report to the state.

If the head coach is not available (dealing with an injured player, caught in traffic, in the locker room, etc), have the meeting with the assistant, and then verify the equipment question with the HC before the game starts.

offici88 Thu Dec 03, 2009 02:56pm

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Originally Posted by todd66 (Post 638739)
NFHS rules: Is the Head Coach required to attend the captain's meeting? If he/she does not attend and sends an assistant coach, the head coach forfeits the right to the coaches box to that assistant? I believe they changed this a few years ago but can not find it in my old information.:confused:

In WI, we have a captains' meeting and then introduce ourselves to the coaches just prior to introductions.

What you're describing sounds like baseball in WI. The head coach has to attend the pregame conference.

Interesting to note that head coaches lose the coaching box if they don't attend the post-season seeding meeting. I think many teams felt their attendance wasn't important.

Raymond Thu Dec 03, 2009 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 638872)
In IL -- only the head coach can answer the "is everyone legally and properly equipped?" question.
...

HC: "No, we are wearing our road uni's tonight but we cleared it with the other team."

Adam Thu Dec 03, 2009 04:03pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 639431)
HC: "No, we are wearing our road uni's tonight but we cleared it with the other team."

My side hurts.

IowaMike Fri Dec 04, 2009 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 638751)
Since Mark officiates in Neverland (where he is known as Captain Hook), I wouldn't worry too much aTbout his response. I'll just say that in CO and IA (the two states where I have first hand experience), there are separate meetings for coaches and captains. As far as I know, there are no punishments for a coach who sends an assistant. We just grab the HCs and have our little pow wow and move on. I've never had a coach not want to come, it's just expected.

The head coach is required to attend the pregame meeting with captains in Iowa now. The varsity coaches all know and understand this so I've never not had one of them come out for it. Lower level coaches aren't always aware of the requirement. I think the meetings are essentially a waste of time anyway, and my meetings are very brief, maybe 30 seconds. Nobody's listening anyway. My pet peeve; when one of my partners steps in when I am done and starts covering a bunch of other unnecessary stuff.

Adam Fri Dec 04, 2009 01:27pm

Which is why I never have anything to add; even if the R doesn't address the one thing I would.

BillyMac Fri Dec 04, 2009 08:06pm

All The Way Around ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 639681)
Which is why I never have anything to add; even if the R doesn't address the one thing I would.

What if the R forgot to tell the captains which color the boundary lines were? This is an essential to a good pregame meeting. It's true. It's true.

Adam Fri Dec 04, 2009 08:48pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 639777)
What if the R forgot to tell the captains which color the boundary lines were? This is an essential to a good pregame meeting. It's true. It's true.

Trust your partner, Billy. If he doesn't think it's essential, it's not. This isn't worth dialing long distance to get.

BillyMac Fri Dec 04, 2009 09:28pm

Side Out ???
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 639787)
Trust your partner, Billy. If he doesn't think it's essential, it's not. This isn't worth dialing long distance to get.

But what happens if they confuse the basketball lines with the volleyball lines? Or even worse, they might confuse the basketball lines with the badminton lines. It could lead to Armageddon. If the referee doesn't say, "It's the red line all the way around", then the game can't officially start. It's a rule. You could look it up. It's just like the Indianapolis 500. The race can't officially start until someone says, "Gentlemen, start your engines".


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